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lib: vendor-in the jwz library

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The maintainer of this library has gone AWOL. We are depending on
a patch that has never been merged. Let's vendor the library to avoid
future issues.

This patch has been made with the following steps:

git clone https://github.com/konimarti/jwz lib/jwz
git -C lib/jwz checkout fix-missing-messages
mv lib/jwz/test/testdata/ham lib/jwz/testdata
sed -i 's#test/testdata#testdata#' lib/jwz/jwz_test.go
rm -rf lib/jwz/.* lib/jwz/docs lib/jwz/examples lib/jwz/test
sed -i 's#github.com/gatherstars-com/jwz#git.sr.ht/~rjarry/aerc/lib/jwz#' \
	lib/threadbuilder.go
go mod tidy
git add --intent-to-add lib/jwz
make fmt

Along with some manual adjustments to fix the linter warnings. Also, to
make the patch smaller, I only kept 93 test emails from the test data
fixture.

Changelog-changed: The JWZ library used for threading is now vendored.
Signed-off-by: Robin Jarry <robin@jarry.cc>
Reviewed-by: Moritz Poldrack <moritz@poldrack.dev>
This commit is contained in:
Robin Jarry
2025-06-26 11:00:30 +02:00
parent abe5bb884b
commit 13e9ee3b40
104 changed files with 10078 additions and 37 deletions
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1
.codespellrc
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@@ -12,6 +12,7 @@ skip =
.env,
contrib/aerc.desktop,
filters/vectors/*,
lib/jwz/testdata/*,
tags,
ignore-words-list =
DeVault,

2
GNUmakefile
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@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@ fmt:
.PHONY: lint
lint:
@contrib/check-whitespace `git ls-files ':!:filters/vectors'` && \
@contrib/check-whitespace `git ls-files ':!:filters/vectors' ':!:lib/jwz/testdata'` && \
echo white space ok.
@contrib/check-docs && echo docs ok.
@$(GO) run mvdan.cc/gofumpt@$(gofumpt_tag) -d . | grep ^ \

3
go.mod
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@@ -22,7 +22,6 @@ require (
github.com/emersion/go-smtp v0.22.0
github.com/fsnotify/fsevents v0.2.0
github.com/fsnotify/fsnotify v1.9.0
github.com/gatherstars-com/jwz v1.4.0
github.com/go-ini/ini v1.67.0
github.com/lithammer/fuzzysearch v1.1.8
github.com/mattn/go-isatty v0.0.20
@@ -57,5 +56,3 @@ require (
gopkg.in/check.v1 v1.0.0-20201130134442-10cb98267c6c // indirect
gopkg.in/yaml.v3 v3.0.1 // indirect
)
replace github.com/gatherstars-com/jwz => github.com/konimarti/jwz v0.0.0-20241106152221-81c07e9284c3

32
go.sum
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@@ -10,8 +10,6 @@ github.com/ProtonMail/go-crypto v1.3.0/go.mod h1:9whxjD8Rbs29b4XWbB8irEcE8KHMqaR
github.com/arran4/golang-ical v0.3.2 h1:MGNjcXJFSuCXmYX/RpZhR2HDCYoFuK8vTPFLEdFC3JY=
github.com/arran4/golang-ical v0.3.2/go.mod h1:xblDGxxIUMWwFZk9dlECUlc1iXNV65LJZOTHLVwu8bo=
github.com/bwesterb/go-ristretto v1.2.3/go.mod h1:fUIoIZaG73pV5biE2Blr2xEzDoMj7NFEuV9ekS419A0=
github.com/cention-sany/utf7 v0.0.0-20170124080048-26cad61bd60a h1:MISbI8sU/PSK/ztvmWKFcI7UGb5/HQT7B+i3a2myKgI=
github.com/cention-sany/utf7 v0.0.0-20170124080048-26cad61bd60a/go.mod h1:2GxOXOlEPAMFPfp014mK1SWq8G8BN8o7/dfYqJrVGn8=
github.com/cloudflare/circl v1.3.3/go.mod h1:5XYMA4rFBvNIrhs50XuiBJ15vF2pZn4nnUKZrLbUZFA=
github.com/cloudflare/circl v1.3.7/go.mod h1:sRTcRWXGLrKw6yIGJ+l7amYJFfAXbZG0kBSc8r4zxgA=
github.com/cloudflare/circl v1.6.1 h1:zqIqSPIndyBh1bjLVVDHMPpVKqp8Su/V+6MeDzzQBQ0=
@@ -57,14 +55,8 @@ github.com/fsnotify/fsevents v0.2.0/go.mod h1:B3eEk39i4hz8y1zaWS/wPrAP4O6wkIl7HQ
github.com/fsnotify/fsnotify v1.4.7/go.mod h1:jwhsz4b93w/PPRr/qN1Yymfu8t87LnFCMoQvtojpjFo=
github.com/fsnotify/fsnotify v1.9.0 h1:2Ml+OJNzbYCTzsxtv8vKSFD9PbJjmhYF14k/jKC7S9k=
github.com/fsnotify/fsnotify v1.9.0/go.mod h1:8jBTzvmWwFyi3Pb8djgCCO5IBqzKJ/Jwo8TRcHyHii0=
github.com/gdamore/encoding v1.0.0/go.mod h1:alR0ol34c49FCSBLjhosxzcPHQbf2trDkoo5dl+VrEg=
github.com/gdamore/tcell/v2 v2.6.0/go.mod h1:be9omFATkdr0D9qewWW3d+MEvl5dha+Etb5y65J2H8Y=
github.com/go-ini/ini v1.67.0 h1:z6ZrTEZqSWOTyH2FlglNbNgARyHG8oLW9gMELqKr06A=
github.com/go-ini/ini v1.67.0/go.mod h1:ByCAeIL28uOIIG0E3PJtZPDL8WnHpFKFOtgjp+3Ies8=
github.com/go-test/deep v1.0.7/go.mod h1:QV8Hv/iy04NyLBxAdO9njL0iVPN1S4d/A3NVv1V36o8=
github.com/gogs/chardet v0.0.0-20191104214054-4b6791f73a28/go.mod h1:Pcatq5tYkCW2Q6yrR2VRHlbHpZ/R4/7qyL1TCF7vl14=
github.com/gogs/chardet v0.0.0-20211120154057-b7413eaefb8f h1:3BSP1Tbs2djlpprl7wCLuiqMaUh5SJkkzI2gDs+FgLs=
github.com/gogs/chardet v0.0.0-20211120154057-b7413eaefb8f/go.mod h1:Pcatq5tYkCW2Q6yrR2VRHlbHpZ/R4/7qyL1TCF7vl14=
github.com/golang/protobuf v1.2.0/go.mod h1:6lQm79b+lXiMfvg/cZm0SGofjICqVBUtrP5yJMmIC1U=
github.com/golang/snappy v0.0.0-20180518054509-2e65f85255db/go.mod h1:/XxbfmMg8lxefKM7IXC3fBNl/7bRcc72aCRzEWrmP2Q=
github.com/golang/snappy v1.0.0 h1:Oy607GVXHs7RtbggtPBnr2RmDArIsAefDwvrdWvRhGs=
@@ -73,13 +65,6 @@ github.com/google/go-cmp v0.6.0 h1:ofyhxvXcZhMsU5ulbFiLKl/XBFqE1GSq7atu8tAmTRI=
github.com/google/go-cmp v0.6.0/go.mod h1:17dUlkBOakJ0+DkrSSNjCkIjxS6bF9zb3elmeNGIjoY=
github.com/hpcloud/tail v1.0.0 h1:nfCOvKYfkgYP8hkirhJocXT2+zOD8yUNjXaWfTlyFKI=
github.com/hpcloud/tail v1.0.0/go.mod h1:ab1qPbhIpdTxEkNHXyeSf5vhxWSCs/tWer42PpOxQnU=
github.com/jaytaylor/html2text v0.0.0-20200412013138-3577fbdbcff7/go.mod h1:CVKlgaMiht+LXvHG173ujK6JUhZXKb2u/BQtjPDIvyk=
github.com/jaytaylor/html2text v0.0.0-20211105163654-bc68cce691ba h1:QFQpJdgbON7I0jr2hYW7Bs+XV0qjc3d5tZoDnRFnqTg=
github.com/jaytaylor/html2text v0.0.0-20211105163654-bc68cce691ba/go.mod h1:CVKlgaMiht+LXvHG173ujK6JUhZXKb2u/BQtjPDIvyk=
github.com/jhillyerd/enmime v0.11.0 h1:5EOSLh7l3eMODznfMCKVGQY74Qb95Yfuet6CYgquLfM=
github.com/jhillyerd/enmime v0.11.0/go.mod h1:nw2aJ34YXWklLze+qEESgP+KNhU3fMQuiFsD/4soh3Q=
github.com/konimarti/jwz v0.0.0-20241106152221-81c07e9284c3 h1:Xv6nolkO1+sI2yA9vbhz4tfm1PsnlZtciA6866JSqTA=
github.com/konimarti/jwz v0.0.0-20241106152221-81c07e9284c3/go.mod h1:twtXjMamfC5/NRCTJ9vDiHGeDivORkTAvOMUX/qo0Ik=
github.com/kr/pretty v0.1.0/go.mod h1:dAy3ld7l9f0ibDNOQOHHMYYIIbhfbHSm3C4ZsoJORNo=
github.com/kr/pretty v0.2.1/go.mod h1:ipq/a2n7PKx3OHsz4KJII5eveXtPO4qwEXGdVfWzfnI=
github.com/kr/pretty v0.3.0 h1:WgNl7dwNpEZ6jJ9k1snq4pZsg7DOEN8hP9Xw0Tsjwk0=
@@ -90,19 +75,13 @@ github.com/kr/text v0.2.0 h1:5Nx0Ya0ZqY2ygV366QzturHI13Jq95ApcVaJBhpS+AY=
github.com/kr/text v0.2.0/go.mod h1:eLer722TekiGuMkidMxC/pM04lWEeraHUUmBw8l2grE=
github.com/lithammer/fuzzysearch v1.1.8 h1:/HIuJnjHuXS8bKaiTMeeDlW2/AyIWk2brx1V8LFgLN4=
github.com/lithammer/fuzzysearch v1.1.8/go.mod h1:IdqeyBClc3FFqSzYq/MXESsS4S0FsZ5ajtkr5xPLts4=
github.com/lucasb-eyer/go-colorful v1.2.0/go.mod h1:R4dSotOR9KMtayYi1e77YzuveK+i7ruzyGqttikkLy0=
github.com/martinlindhe/base36 v1.0.0/go.mod h1:+AtEs8xrBpCeYgSLoY/aJ6Wf37jtBuR0s35750M27+8=
github.com/mattn/go-isatty v0.0.20 h1:xfD0iDuEKnDkl03q4limB+vH+GxLEtL/jb4xVJSWWEY=
github.com/mattn/go-isatty v0.0.20/go.mod h1:W+V8PltTTMOvKvAeJH7IuucS94S2C6jfK/D7dTCTo3Y=
github.com/mattn/go-runewidth v0.0.9/go.mod h1:H031xJmbD/WCDINGzjvQ9THkh0rPKHF+m2gUSrubnMI=
github.com/mattn/go-runewidth v0.0.12/go.mod h1:RAqKPSqVFrSLVXbA8x7dzmKdmGzieGRCM46jaSJTDAk=
github.com/mattn/go-runewidth v0.0.14/go.mod h1:Jdepj2loyihRzMpdS35Xk/zdY8IAYHsh153qUoGf23w=
github.com/mattn/go-runewidth v0.0.16 h1:E5ScNMtiwvlvB5paMFdw9p4kSQzbXFikJ5SQO6TULQc=
github.com/mattn/go-runewidth v0.0.16/go.mod h1:Jdepj2loyihRzMpdS35Xk/zdY8IAYHsh153qUoGf23w=
github.com/mattn/go-sixel v0.0.5 h1:55w2FR5ncuhKhXrM5ly1eiqMQfZsnAHIpYNGZX03Cv8=
github.com/mattn/go-sixel v0.0.5/go.mod h1:h2Sss+DiUEHy0pUqcIB6PFXo5Cy8sTQEFr3a9/5ZLNw=
github.com/olekukonko/tablewriter v0.0.5 h1:P2Ga83D34wi1o9J6Wh1mRuqd4mF/x/lgBS7N7AbDhec=
github.com/olekukonko/tablewriter v0.0.5/go.mod h1:hPp6KlRPjbx+hW8ykQs1w3UBbZlj6HuIJcUGPhkA7kY=
github.com/onsi/ginkgo v1.6.0/go.mod h1:lLunBs/Ym6LB5Z9jYTR76FiuTmxDTDusOGeTQH+WWjE=
github.com/onsi/ginkgo v1.7.0 h1:WSHQ+IS43OoUrWtD1/bbclrwK8TTH5hzp+umCiuxHgs=
github.com/onsi/ginkgo v1.7.0/go.mod h1:lLunBs/Ym6LB5Z9jYTR76FiuTmxDTDusOGeTQH+WWjE=
@@ -114,11 +93,7 @@ github.com/pkg/errors v0.9.1 h1:FEBLx1zS214owpjy7qsBeixbURkuhQAwrK5UwLGTwt4=
github.com/pkg/errors v0.9.1/go.mod h1:bwawxfHBFNV+L2hUp1rHADufV3IMtnDRdf1r5NINEl0=
github.com/pmezard/go-difflib v1.0.0 h1:4DBwDE0NGyQoBHbLQYPwSUPoCMWR5BEzIk/f1lZbAQM=
github.com/pmezard/go-difflib v1.0.0/go.mod h1:iKH77koFhYxTK1pcRnkKkqfTogsbg7gZNVY4sRDYZ/4=
github.com/rivo/tview v0.0.0-20230226195229-47e7db7885b4/go.mod h1:nVwGv4MP47T0jvlk7KuTTjjuSmrGO4JF0iaiNt4bufE=
github.com/rivo/uniseg v0.1.0/go.mod h1:J6wj4VEh+S6ZtnVlnTBMWIodfgj8LQOQFoIToxlJtxc=
github.com/rivo/uniseg v0.2.0/go.mod h1:J6wj4VEh+S6ZtnVlnTBMWIodfgj8LQOQFoIToxlJtxc=
github.com/rivo/uniseg v0.4.3/go.mod h1:FN3SvrM+Zdj16jyLfmOkMNblXMcoc8DfTHruCPUcx88=
github.com/rivo/uniseg v0.4.4/go.mod h1:FN3SvrM+Zdj16jyLfmOkMNblXMcoc8DfTHruCPUcx88=
github.com/rivo/uniseg v0.4.7 h1:WUdvkW8uEhrYfLC4ZzdpI2ztxP1I582+49Oc5Mq64VQ=
github.com/rivo/uniseg v0.4.7/go.mod h1:FN3SvrM+Zdj16jyLfmOkMNblXMcoc8DfTHruCPUcx88=
github.com/riywo/loginshell v0.0.0-20200815045211-7d26008be1ab h1:ZjX6I48eZSFetPb41dHudEyVr5v953N15TsNZXlkcWY=
@@ -128,12 +103,8 @@ github.com/rogpeppe/go-internal v1.8.1 h1:geMPLpDpQOgVyCg5z5GoRwLHepNdb71NXb67XF
github.com/rogpeppe/go-internal v1.8.1/go.mod h1:JeRgkft04UBgHMgCIwADu4Pn6Mtm5d4nPKWu0nJ5d+o=
github.com/soniakeys/quant v1.0.0 h1:N1um9ktjbkZVcywBVAAYpZYSHxEfJGzshHCxx/DaI0Y=
github.com/soniakeys/quant v1.0.0/go.mod h1:HI1k023QuVbD4H8i9YdfZP2munIHU4QpjsImz6Y6zds=
github.com/ssor/bom v0.0.0-20170718123548-6386211fdfcf h1:pvbZ0lM0XWPBqUKqFU8cmavspvIl9nulOYwdy6IFRRo=
github.com/ssor/bom v0.0.0-20170718123548-6386211fdfcf/go.mod h1:RJID2RhlZKId02nZ62WenDCkgHFerpIOmW0iT7GKmXM=
github.com/stretchr/objx v0.1.0/go.mod h1:HFkY916IF+rwdDfMAkV7OtwuqBVzrE8GR6GFx+wExME=
github.com/stretchr/testify v1.3.0/go.mod h1:M5WIy9Dh21IEIfnGCwXGc5bZfKNJtfHm1UVUgZn+9EI=
github.com/stretchr/testify v1.7.0/go.mod h1:6Fq8oRcR53rry900zMqJjRRixrwX3KX962/h/Wwjteg=
github.com/stretchr/testify v1.7.1/go.mod h1:6Fq8oRcR53rry900zMqJjRRixrwX3KX962/h/Wwjteg=
github.com/stretchr/testify v1.10.0 h1:Xv5erBjTwe/5IxqUQTdXv5kgmIvbHo3QQyRwhJsOfJA=
github.com/stretchr/testify v1.10.0/go.mod h1:r2ic/lqez/lEtzL7wO/rwa5dbSLXVDPFyf8C91i36aY=
github.com/syndtr/goleveldb v1.0.0 h1:fBdIW9lB4Iz0n9khmH8w27SJ3QEJ7+IgjPEwGSZiFdE=
@@ -158,7 +129,6 @@ golang.org/x/net v0.0.0-20210226172049-e18ecbb05110/go.mod h1:m0MpNAwzfU5UDzcl9v
golang.org/x/net v0.0.0-20220722155237-a158d28d115b/go.mod h1:XRhObCWvk6IyKnWLug+ECip1KBveYUHfp+8e9klMJ9c=
golang.org/x/net v0.2.0/go.mod h1:KqCZLdyyvdV855qA2rE3GC2aiw5xGR5TEjj8smXukLY=
golang.org/x/net v0.6.0/go.mod h1:2Tu9+aMcznHK/AK1HMvgo6xiTLG5rD5rZLDS+rp2Bjs=
golang.org/x/net v0.7.0/go.mod h1:2Tu9+aMcznHK/AK1HMvgo6xiTLG5rD5rZLDS+rp2Bjs=
golang.org/x/net v0.8.0/go.mod h1:QVkue5JL9kW//ek3r6jTKnTFis1tRmNAW2P1shuFdJc=
golang.org/x/net v0.10.0/go.mod h1:0qNGK6F8kojg2nk9dLZ2mShWaEBan6FAoqfSigmmuDg=
golang.org/x/net v0.40.0 h1:79Xs7wF06Gbdcg4kdCCIQArK11Z1hr5POQ6+fIYHNuY=
@@ -198,7 +168,6 @@ golang.org/x/text v0.3.2/go.mod h1:bEr9sfX3Q8Zfm5fL9x+3itogRgK3+ptLWKqgva+5dAk=
golang.org/x/text v0.3.3/go.mod h1:5Zoc/QRtKVWzQhOtBMvqHzDpF6irO9z98xDceosuGiQ=
golang.org/x/text v0.3.6/go.mod h1:5Zoc/QRtKVWzQhOtBMvqHzDpF6irO9z98xDceosuGiQ=
golang.org/x/text v0.3.7/go.mod h1:u+2+/6zg+i71rQMx5EYifcz6MCKuco9NR6JIITiCfzQ=
golang.org/x/text v0.3.8/go.mod h1:E6s5w1FMmriuDzIBO73fBruAKo1PCIq6d2Q6DHfQ8WQ=
golang.org/x/text v0.4.0/go.mod h1:mrYo+phRRbMaCq/xk9113O4dZlRixOauAjOtrjsXDZ8=
golang.org/x/text v0.7.0/go.mod h1:mrYo+phRRbMaCq/xk9113O4dZlRixOauAjOtrjsXDZ8=
golang.org/x/text v0.8.0/go.mod h1:e1OnstbJyHTd6l/uOt8jFFHp6TRDWZR/bV3emEE/zU8=
@@ -224,6 +193,5 @@ gopkg.in/fsnotify.v1 v1.4.7/go.mod h1:Tz8NjZHkW78fSQdbUxIjBTcgA1z1m8ZHf0WmKUhAMy
gopkg.in/tomb.v1 v1.0.0-20141024135613-dd632973f1e7 h1:uRGJdciOHaEIrze2W8Q3AKkepLTh2hOroT7a+7czfdQ=
gopkg.in/tomb.v1 v1.0.0-20141024135613-dd632973f1e7/go.mod h1:dt/ZhP58zS4L8KSrWDmTeBkI65Dw0HsyUHuEVlX15mw=
gopkg.in/yaml.v2 v2.2.1/go.mod h1:hI93XBmqTisBFMUTm0b8Fm+jr3Dg1NNxqwp+5A1VGuI=
gopkg.in/yaml.v3 v3.0.0-20200313102051-9f266ea9e77c/go.mod h1:K4uyk7z7BCEPqu6E+C64Yfv1cQ7kz7rIZviUmN+EgEM=
gopkg.in/yaml.v3 v3.0.1 h1:fxVm/GzAzEWqLHuvctI91KS9hhNmmWOoWu0XTYJS7CA=
gopkg.in/yaml.v3 v3.0.1/go.mod h1:K4uyk7z7BCEPqu6E+C64Yfv1cQ7kz7rIZviUmN+EgEM=

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@@ -0,0 +1,661 @@
// Package jwz is an implementation of the email threading algorithm created by Jamie Zawinski and explained by him
// at: https://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html
//
// This package was created by cribbing from the code at:
//
// https://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html#:~:text=grendel-1999-05-14.tar.gz
//
// from the Java source code in view/Threader.java - it contains no ham and cheese sandwiches.
//
// The code, interface etc. was obviously adapted in to Go form, though where possible, the code reflects the
// original Java if it is not too ungolike.
//
// Author: Jim Idle - jimi@idle.ws / jimi@gatherstars.com
// SPDX-License-Identifier: Apache-2.0
//
// See the LICENSE file, sit down, have a scone.
package jwz
import (
"errors"
"fmt"
)
// Threader arranges a set of messages into a thread hierarchy, by references.
type Threader struct {
rootNode *threadContainer
idTable map[string]*threadContainer
bogusIDCount int
}
// NewThreader returns an instance of the Threader struct, that is ready to attack
// your Threadable
//
//goland:noinspection GoUnusedExportedFunction
func NewThreader() *Threader {
t := &Threader{
idTable: make(map[string]*threadContainer),
}
return t
}
// Thread will create a threadable organized so that the root node
// is the original reference, creating dummy placeholders for the emails
// we don't have yet
func (t *Threader) Thread(threadable Threadable) (Threadable, error) {
if threadable == nil {
return nil, nil
}
// Build a thread container from this single email
//
if !threadable.IsDummy() {
if err := t.buildContainer(threadable); err != nil {
return nil, err
}
} else {
return nil, errors.New("cannot thread a single email with a dummy root")
}
var err error
// Organize the root set from what we have
//
t.rootNode, err = t.findRootSet()
if err != nil {
return nil, err
}
// We no longer need the map - probably no real need to blank it here, but the original Java code did that,
// and it won't harm to let the GC reclaim this in case our caller keeps the *Threader around for some reason
//
t.idTable = nil
// We do this to avoid flipping the input order each time through.
//
t.rootNode.reverseChildren()
// There should not be a next in the root of a conversation thread
//
if t.rootNode.next != nil {
return nil, fmt.Errorf("root node contains a next and should not: %#v", t.rootNode)
}
// Because the result of this function is a tree that does actually contain dummies for missing references
// we need to add a dummy threadable for any node that does not yet have one. Then we can flush the chain
// of containers in to the threadable
//
t.rootNode.fillDummy(threadable)
var result Threadable
if t.rootNode.child != nil {
result = t.rootNode.child.threadable
}
// Flush the tree structure of each element of the root set down into
// their underlying Threadables
//
_ = t.rootNode.flush()
t.rootNode = nil
return result, nil
}
// ThreadSlice will thread the set of messages contained within threadableSlice.
// The Threadable returned is the new first element of the root set.
func (t *Threader) ThreadSlice(threadableSlice []Threadable) (Threadable, error) {
if len(threadableSlice) == 0 {
return nil, nil
}
// Iterate all the Threadable represented by the root and build the
// threadContainer from them
//
for _, nt := range threadableSlice {
if !nt.IsDummy() {
if err := t.buildContainer(nt); err != nil {
return nil, err
}
}
}
return t.threadRoot()
}
// ThreadRoot will thread the set of messages provided by ThreadableRoot.
// The Threadable returned is the new first element of the root set.
func (t *Threader) ThreadRoot(threadableRoot ThreadableRoot) (Threadable, error) {
if threadableRoot == nil {
return nil, nil
}
// Iterate all the Threadable represented by the root and build the
// threadContainer from them
//
for threadableRoot.Next() {
nt := threadableRoot.Get()
if !nt.IsDummy() {
if err := t.buildContainer(nt); err != nil {
return nil, err
}
}
}
return t.threadRoot()
}
func (t *Threader) threadRoot() (Threadable, error) {
var err error
// Organize the root set from what we have
//
t.rootNode, err = t.findRootSet()
if err != nil {
return nil, err
}
// We no longer need the map - probably no real need to blank it here, but the original Java code did that,
// and it won't harm to let the GC reclaim this in case our caller keeps the *Threader around for some reason
//
t.idTable = nil
// Get rid of any empty containers. They should no longer needed
//
t.pruneEmptyContainers(t.rootNode)
// We do this so to avoid flipping the input order each time through.
//
t.rootNode.reverseChildren()
// We might need to sort on subjects, so let's process them
//
t.gatherSubjects()
// There should not be a next in the root of a conversation thread
//
if t.rootNode.next != nil {
return nil, fmt.Errorf("root node contains a next and should not: %#v", t.rootNode)
}
for r := t.rootNode.child; r != nil; r = r.next {
// If this direct child of the root node has no threadable in it,
// manufacture a dummy container to bind its children together.
// Note that these dummies can only ever occur as elements of
// the root set.
//
if r.threadable == nil {
r.threadable = r.child.threadable.MakeDummy(r.forID)
}
}
var result Threadable
if t.rootNode.child != nil {
result = t.rootNode.child.threadable
}
// Flush the tree structure of each element of the root set down into
// their underlying Threadables
//
_ = t.rootNode.flush()
t.rootNode = nil
return result, nil
}
// buildContainer() does three things:
//
// - It walks the tree of Threadable, and wraps each in a
// threadContainer object.
// - It indexes each threadContainer object in the idTable, under
// the message ID of the contained Threadable.
// - For each of the references within Threadable, it ensures that there
// is a threadContainer in the table (an empty one, if necessary.)
func (t *Threader) buildContainer(threadable Threadable) error {
var present bool
// See if we already have a container for this threadable
//
id := threadable.MessageThreadID()
tid := id
c, present := t.idTable[id]
if present {
// There is already a ThreadContainer in the table for this ID.
// Under normal circumstances, there will be no IThreadable in it
// (since it was a forward reference from a References field.)
//
// If there is already a threadable in it, then that means there
// are two IThreadables with the same ID. Generate a new ID for
// this one, sigh... This ID is only used to cause the two entries
// in the hash table to not stomp each other.
//
if c.threadable != nil {
id = fmt.Sprintf("<Bogus-id:%d>", t.bogusIDCount)
t.bogusIDCount++
c = nil
} else {
c.threadable = threadable
}
}
// Create a ThreadContainer for this Threadable, and store it in
// the map
//
if c == nil {
c = &threadContainer{forID: tid}
c.threadable = threadable
c.forID = tid
t.idTable[id] = c
}
// Create ThreadContainers for each of the references which don't
// have them. Link each of the referenced messages together in the
// order implied by the references field, unless they are already
// linked.
//
var parentRef, ref *threadContainer
// Iterate through the references field of the threadable and see if we
// already have a reference to them in our map. Create one if not
//
refs := threadable.MessageThreadReferences()
for _, refString := range refs {
ref, present = t.idTable[refString]
if !present {
ref = &threadContainer{forID: refString}
t.idTable[refString] = ref
}
// If we have references A B C D, make D be a child of C, etc.,
// except if they have parents already.
//
if parentRef != nil && // there is a parent
ref.parent == nil && // don't have a parent already
parentRef != ref && // not a tight loop
!ref.findChild(parentRef) && // already linked
!parentRef.findChild(ref) { // not a wide loop
// Ok, link it into the parent's child list.
//
ref.parent = parentRef
ref.next = parentRef.child
parentRef.child = ref
}
parentRef = ref
}
// At this point `parentRef' is set to the container of the last element
// in the references field. Make that be the parent of this container,
// unless doing so would introduce a circularity.
//
if parentRef != nil &&
(parentRef == c ||
c.findChild(parentRef)) {
parentRef = nil
}
if c.parent != nil {
// If it has a parent already, that's there because we saw this message
// in a references field, and presumed a parent based on the other
// entries in that field. Now that we have the actual message, we can
// be more definitive, so throw away the old parent and use this new one.
// Find this container in the parent's child-list, and unlink it.
//
// Note that this could cause this message to now have no parent, if it
// has no references field, but some message referred to it as the
// non-first element of its references. (Which would have been some
// kind of lie...)
//
var rest, prev *threadContainer
for prev, rest = nil, c.parent.child; rest != nil; {
if rest == c {
break
}
prev = rest
rest = rest.next
}
if rest == nil {
return fmt.Errorf("didn't find %#v in parent %#v", c, c.parent)
}
if prev == nil {
c.parent.child = c.next
} else {
prev.next = c.next
}
c.next = nil
c.parent = nil
}
// If we have a parent, link c into the parent's child list.
//
if parentRef != nil {
c.parent = parentRef
c.next = parentRef.child
parentRef.child = c
}
// No error
//
return nil
}
// findRootSet finds the root set of the threadContainers, and returns a root node.
//
// NB: A container is in the root set if it has no parents.
func (t *Threader) findRootSet() (*threadContainer, error) {
root := &threadContainer{}
for _, c := range t.idTable {
if c.parent == nil {
if c.next != nil {
return nil, fmt.Errorf("container has no parent, but has a next value: %#v", c.next)
}
c.next = root.child
root.child = c
}
}
return root, nil
}
// Walk through the threads and discard any empty container objects.
// After calling this, there will only be any empty container objects
// at depth 0, and those will all have at least two kids.
func (t *Threader) pruneEmptyContainers(parent *threadContainer) {
var prev *threadContainer
container := parent.child
var next *threadContainer
if container != nil {
next = container.next
}
for container != nil {
switch {
case container.threadable == nil && container.child == nil:
// This is an empty container with no kids. Nuke it.
//
// Normally such containers won't occur, but they can show up when
// two messages have References lines that disagree. For example,
// assuming A and B are messages, and 1, 2, and 3 are references for
// messages we haven't seen:
//
// A has refs: 1 2 3
// B has refs: 1 3
//
// There is ambiguity whether 3 is a child of 1 or 2. So,
// depending on the processing order, we might end up with either
//
// -- 1
// |-- 2
// |-- 3
// |-- A
// |-- B
// or
// -- 1
// |-- 2 <--- non-root childless container
// |-- 3
// |-- A
// |-- B
//
if prev == nil {
parent.child = container.next
} else {
prev.next = container.next
}
// Set container to prev so that prev keeps its same value
// the next time through the loop.
//
container = prev
case container.threadable == nil && // expired, and
container.child != nil && // has kids, and
(container.parent != nil || // not at root, or
container.child.next == nil):
// Expired message with kids. Promote the kids to this level.
// Don't do this if we would be promoting them to the root level,
// unless there is only one kid.
//
var tail *threadContainer
kids := container.child
// Remove this container from the list, replacing it with `kids'
//
if prev == nil {
parent.child = kids
} else {
prev.next = kids
}
// Make each child's parent be this level's parent.
// Make the last child's next be this container's next
// - splicing `kids' into the list in place of `container'
//
for tail = kids; tail.next != nil; tail = tail.next {
tail.parent = container.parent
}
tail.parent = container.parent
tail.next = container.next
// Since we've inserted items in the chain, `next' currently points
// to the item after them (tail.next); reset that so that we process
// the newly promoted items the very next time around.
//
next = kids
// Set container to prev so that prev keeps its same value
// the next time through the loop.
//
container = prev
case container.child != nil:
// A real message with kids.
// Iterate over its children, and try to strip out the junk.
//
t.pruneEmptyContainers(container)
}
// Set up for the next iteration
//
prev = container
container = next
if container == nil {
next = nil
} else {
next = container.next
}
}
}
// If any two members of the root set have the same subject, merge them.
// This is so that messages which don't have References headers at all
// still get threaded (to the extent possible, at least.)
func (t *Threader) gatherSubjects() {
var count int
subjTable := make(map[string]*threadContainer)
for c := t.rootNode.child; c != nil; c = c.next {
threadable := c.threadable
// If there is no threadable, this is a dummy node in the root set.
// Only root set members may be dummies, and they always have at least
// two kids. Take the first kid as representative of the subject.
//
if threadable == nil {
threadable = c.child.threadable
}
subj := threadable.SimplifiedSubject()
if subj == "" {
continue
}
old := subjTable[subj]
// Add this container to the table if:
// - There is no container in the table with this subject, or
// - This one is a dummy container and the old one is not: the dummy
// one is more interesting as a root, so put it in the table instead.
// - The container in the table has a "Re:" version of this subject,
// and this container has a non-"Re:" version of this subject.
// The non-re version is the more interesting of the two.
//
if old == nil ||
(c.threadable == nil && old.threadable != nil) ||
(old.threadable != nil && old.threadable.SubjectIsReply() &&
c.threadable != nil && !c.threadable.SubjectIsReply()) {
subjTable[subj] = c
count++
}
}
// We are done if the table is empty
//
if count == 0 {
return
}
// The subj_table is now populated with one entry for each subject which
// occurs in the root set. Now iterate over the root set, and gather
// together the difference.
//
var prev, c, rest *threadContainer
prev = nil
c = t.rootNode.child
rest = c.next
for c != nil {
threadable := c.threadable
// might be a dummy -- see above
//
if threadable == nil {
threadable = c.child.threadable
}
subj := threadable.SimplifiedSubject()
// Don't thread together all subject-less messages; let them dangle.
//
if subj != "" {
old := subjTable[subj]
if old != c { // Avoid processing ourselves
// Ok, so now we have found another container in the root set with
// the same subject. There are a few possibilities:
//
// - If both are dummies, append one's children to the other, and remove
// the now-empty container.
//
// - If one container is a dummy and the other is not, make the non-dummy
// one be a child of the dummy, and a sibling of the other "real"
// messages with the same subject (the dummy's children.)
//
// - If that container is a non-dummy, and that message's subject does
// not begin with "Re:", but *this* message's subject does, then
// make this be a child of the other.
//
// - If that container is a non-dummy, and that message's subject begins
// with "Re:", but *this* message's subject does *not*, then make that
// be a child of this one -- they were mis-ordered. (This happens
// somewhat implicitly, since if there are two messages, one with Re:
// and one without, the one without will be in the hash table,
// regardless of the order in which they were seen.)
//
// - Otherwise, make a new dummy container and make both messages be a
// child of it. This catches the both-are-replies and neither-are-
// replies cases, and makes them be siblings instead of asserting a
// hierarchical relationship which might not be true.
//
// (People who reply to a message without using "Re:" and without using
// a References line will break this slightly. Those people suck.)
//
// (It has occurred to me that taking the date or message number into
// account would be one way of resolving some ambiguous cases,
// but that's not altogether straightforward either.)
// JI: You cannot rely on the clock settings being correct on a server/client that sent a message
//
// Remove the "second" message from the root set.
if prev == nil {
t.rootNode.child = c.next
} else {
prev.next = c.next
}
c.next = nil
switch {
case old.threadable == nil && c.threadable == nil:
// They're both dummies; merge them.
//
var tail *threadContainer
for tail = old.child; tail != nil && tail.next != nil; tail = tail.next {
}
tail.next = c.child
for tail = c.child; tail != nil; tail = tail.next {
tail.parent = old
}
c.child = nil
case old.threadable == nil || // old is empty, or
(c.threadable != nil &&
c.threadable.SubjectIsReply() && // c has Re, and
!old.threadable.SubjectIsReply()): // old does not.
// Make this message be a child of the other.
c.parent = old
c.next = old.child
old.child = c
default:
// Make the old and new messages be children of a new dummy container.
// We do this by creating a new container object for old->msg and
// transforming the old container into a dummy (by merely emptying it),
// so that the table still points to the one that is at depth 0
// instead of depth 1.
//
newC := &threadContainer{}
newC.threadable = old.threadable
newC.child = old.child
for tail := newC.child; tail != nil; tail = tail.next {
tail.parent = newC
}
old.threadable = nil
old.child = nil
c.parent = old
newC.parent = old
// old is now a dummy; make it have exactly two kids, c and newC.
//
old.child = c
c.next = newC
}
// we've done a merge, so keep the same `prev' next time around.
//
c = prev
}
}
prev = c
c = rest
if rest != nil {
rest = rest.next
}
}
}

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// Author: Jim Idle - jimi@idle.ws / jimi@gatherstars.com
// SPDX-License-Identifier: Apache-2.0
package jwz
import (
"fmt"
"io/fs"
"log"
"os"
"path/filepath"
"regexp"
"strings"
"testing"
"time"
_ "github.com/emersion/go-message/charset"
"github.com/emersion/go-message/mail"
)
// Where we are going to store the emails. We know that the test data is of a fair size, so we tell the slice that
// in advance
var Emails = make([]Threadable, 0, 93)
// ls -1 testdata | wc -l
const MessageNumber = 93
// TestMain sets up everything for the other test(s). It essentially parses a largish set of publicly available
// Emails in to a structure that can then be used to perform email threading testing.
func TestMain(m *testing.M) {
// Parse all the emails in the test directory
//
loadEmails()
// OK, we have a fairly large email set all parsed, so now we can let the real tests run
//
os.Exit(m.Run())
}
func loadEmails() {
_ = filepath.WalkDir("testdata", func(path string, d fs.DirEntry, err error) error {
if err != nil {
log.Printf("cannot process directory/file %s because: %#v", path, err)
os.Exit(1)
}
if d.IsDir() {
// Skip any directory entries, including the base test data dir
//
return nil
}
// We only look at files that have an eml extension
//
if !strings.HasSuffix(path, ".eml") {
return nil
}
f, e := os.Open(path)
if e != nil {
return err
}
r, e1 := mail.CreateReader(f)
_ = f.Close()
if e1 != nil {
log.Printf("cannot parse email file error = %v", e1)
return nil
}
// All is good, so let's accumulate the email
//
email := NewEmail(r.Header)
Emails = append(Emails, email)
return nil
})
}
// EmailRoot is a structure that implements the ThreadableRoot interface. I have not used ThreadableRoot
// here, but this is what it needs to look like if your input structure is not just a slice of Threadable
type EmailRoot struct {
// This is some structure of the emails you want to thread, that you know how to traverse
//
emails []Threadable
// You need some sort of position holder, which in this silly example is an index in the struct
//
position int
}
// Next sets the internal cursor to the next available Threadable
func (e *EmailRoot) Next() bool {
e.position = e.position + 1
if e.position < len(e.emails) {
return true
}
return false
}
// Get returns the Threadable at the current internal cursor position
func (e *EmailRoot) Get() Threadable {
return e.emails[e.position]
}
// NewThreadableRoot returns a struct instance that can be traversed using the ThreadableRoot interface
func NewThreadableRoot(emails []Threadable) ThreadableRoot {
tr := &EmailRoot{
emails: emails,
position: -1,
}
return tr
}
// Email is structure that implements the Threadable interface - this is what a user of this
// package needs to do.
type Email struct {
header mail.Header
next Threadable
parent Threadable
child Threadable
dummy bool
forID string
}
func (e *Email) GetNext() Threadable {
return e.next
}
func (e *Email) GetChild() Threadable {
return e.child
}
// GetParent the parent Threadable of this node, if any
func (e *Email) GetParent() Threadable {
return e.parent
}
// GetDate extracts the timestamp from the envelope contained in the supplied Threadable
func (e *Email) GetDate() time.Time {
// We can have dummies because we are likely to have parsed a set of emails with incomplete threads,
// where the start of the thread or sub thread was referenced, but we did not get to parse it, at least yet.
// This means it will be a placeholder as the root for the thread, so we can use the time of the child as the
// time of this email.
//
if e.IsDummy() {
if e.GetChild() != nil {
return e.GetChild().GetDate()
}
// Protect against having nothing in the children that knows what time it is. So, back to the
// beginning of time according to Unix
//
return time.Unix(0, 0)
}
d, err := e.header.Date()
if err != nil {
return time.Unix(0, 0)
}
return d
}
var idre = regexp.MustCompile("<.*?>")
func (e *Email) MessageThreadID() string {
if e.dummy {
return e.forID
}
ref := e.header.Get("Message-Id")
refs := idre.FindAllString(ref, -1)
if len(refs) > 0 {
return refs[0]
}
return "<bogus-id-in-email>"
}
func (e *Email) MessageThreadReferences() []string {
if e.dummy {
return nil
}
// This should be a nicely formatted field that has unique IDs enclosed within <>, and each of those should be
// space separated. However, it isn't as simple as this because all sorts of garbage mail clients have been programmed
// over the years by people who did not understand what the References field was (I'm looking at you
// Comcast, for instance). We can get things like:
//
// 1) References: Your message of Friday... <actual-ID> (Some garbage the programmer thought might be useful)
// 2) References: me@mydomain.com (This isn't even a reference, it is the sender's email)
// 3) References: <ref-1><ref-2><ref-3> (Either a pure bug, or they misread the spec)
//
// Further to this, we also need to filter out the following:
//
// 4) References: <this message-id> (The client author places this email as the first in the
// reference chain)
// 5) References: <ref-1><ref-2><ref-1> A pure bug somewhere in the chain repeats a reference
//
// The RFC has now been cleaned up to exactly specify this field, but we have to assume there are still
// 20 year old email clients out there and cater for them. Especially when we are testing with ancient
// public email bodies.
//
ref := e.header.Get("References")
// Find all the correctly delimited references, which takes care of 1) and 3)
//
rawRefs := idre.FindAllString(ref, -1)
// Find the message Id, so we can take care of 4)
//
m := e.MessageThreadID()
// Find the From address, so we can deal with 2). Even though ignoring this would be harmless in that we would just
// think it is an email we never saw, it is wrong not to deal with here. We can avoid the clutter in the database
// by filtering them out.
//
fa, _ := e.header.AddressList("From")
// Make a set, so we can remove duplicates and deal with 5)
//
set := make(map[string]any)
// This will be our final return set, after de-fucking the references
//
refs := make([]string, 0, len(rawRefs))
// Now we range through the references that the email has given us and make sure that the reference does
// not run afoul of 2), 4) or 5)
//
for _, r := range rawRefs {
// 2) and 5)
//
if _, repeated := set[r]; r != m && !repeated {
set[r] = nil
// Technically, From: can have more than one sender (back in the day before email lists
// got sorted), we will never see this in practice, but, in for a pound, in for a penny
//
var found bool = false
for _, f := range fa {
if r == "<"+f.Address+">" {
found = true
break
}
}
if !found {
// If we got thorough all of those checks, then Phew! Made it!
//
refs = append(refs, r)
}
}
}
return refs
}
var re = regexp.MustCompile("[Rr][Ee][ \t]*:[ \t]*")
func (e *Email) SimplifiedSubject() string {
if e.dummy {
return ""
}
subj := e.header.Get("Subject")
subj = re.ReplaceAllString(subj, "")
return subj
}
func (e *Email) Subject() string {
if e.dummy {
if e.child != nil {
return e.child.Subject() + " :: node synthesized by https://gatherstars.com/"
}
return fmt.Sprintf("Placeholder %s - manufactured by https://gatherstars.com/", e.forID)
}
// Add in the date for a bit of extra information
//
var sb strings.Builder
t := e.GetDate()
sb.WriteString(t.UTC().String())
sb.WriteString(" : ")
sb.WriteString(strings.Trim(e.header.Get("Subject"), " "))
return sb.String()
}
func (e *Email) SubjectIsReply() bool {
subj := e.header.Get("Subject")
return re.MatchString(subj)
}
func (e *Email) SetNext(next Threadable) {
e.next = next
}
func (e *Email) SetChild(kid Threadable) {
e.child = kid
if kid != nil {
kid.SetParent(e)
}
}
// SetParent allows us to add or change the parent Threadable of this node
func (e *Email) SetParent(parent Threadable) {
e.parent = parent
}
func (e *Email) MakeDummy(forID string) Threadable {
return &Email{
dummy: true,
forID: forID,
}
}
func (e *Email) IsDummy() bool {
return e.dummy
}
func NewEmail(header mail.Header) Threadable {
e := &Email{
header: header,
dummy: false,
}
return e
}
func ExampleThreader_ThreadSlice() {
// Emails := loadEmails() - your function to load emails into a slice
//
// Create a threader and thread using the slice of Threadable in the slice called Emails
//
threader := NewThreader()
sliceRoot, err := threader.ThreadSlice(Emails)
if err != nil {
fmt.Printf("func ThreadSlice() error = %#v", err)
return
}
// Make sure that number we got back, not including dummies, is the same as we sent in
//
var nc int
Count(sliceRoot, &nc)
if nc != MessageNumber {
fmt.Printf("expected %d emails after threading, but got %d back", MessageNumber, nc)
} else {
fmt.Printf("There are %d test emails", nc)
}
// Output: There are 93 test emails
}
func TestThreader_ThreadSlice(t1 *testing.T) {
// Emails := loadEmails() - your function to load emails into a slice
//
// Create a threader and thread using the slice of Threadable in the slice called Emails
//
threader := NewThreader()
sliceRoot, err := threader.ThreadSlice(Emails)
if err != nil {
t1.Errorf("func ThreadSlice() error = %#v", err)
}
// Make sure that number we got back, not including dummies, is the same as we sent in
//
var nc int
Count(sliceRoot, &nc)
if nc != MessageNumber {
t1.Errorf("expected %d emails after threading, but got %d back", MessageNumber, nc)
}
}
func ExampleThreader_ThreadRoot() {
// Emails := loadEmails() - your function to load emails into a slice
//
// Create a threader and thread using the slice of Threadable in the slice called Emails
//
tr := NewThreadableRoot(Emails)
threader := NewThreader()
treeRoot, err := threader.ThreadRoot(tr)
if err != nil {
fmt.Printf("func ThreadRoot() error = %#v", err)
}
if treeRoot == nil {
fmt.Printf("received no output from the threading algorithm")
}
// Make sure that number we got back, not including dummies, is the same as we sent in
//
var nc int
Count(treeRoot, &nc)
if nc != MessageNumber {
fmt.Printf("expected %d emails after threading, but got %d back", MessageNumber, nc)
} else {
fmt.Printf("There are %d test emails", nc)
}
// Output: There are 93 test emails
}
func TestThreader_ThreadRoot(t1 *testing.T) {
// Emails := loadEmails() - your function to load emails into a slice
//
// Create a threader and thread using the ThreadableRootInterface to traverse the emails
//
tr := NewThreadableRoot(Emails)
threader := NewThreader()
treeRoot, err := threader.ThreadRoot(tr)
if err != nil {
t1.Errorf("ThreadRoot() error = %#v", err)
}
if treeRoot == nil {
t1.Errorf("received no output from the threading algorithm")
}
// Make sure that number we got back, not including dummies, is the same as we sent in
//
var nc int
Count(treeRoot, &nc)
if nc != MessageNumber {
t1.Errorf("expected %d emails after threading, but got %d back", MessageNumber, nc)
}
}

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Martin A posted:
Tassos Papadopoulos, the Greek sculptor behind the plan, judged that the
limestone of Mount Kerdylio, 70 miles east of Salonika and not far from the
Mount Athos monastic community, was ideal for the patriotic sculpture.
As well as Alexander's granite features, 240 ft high and 170 ft wide, a
museum, a restored amphitheatre and car park for admiring crowds are
planned
---------------------
So is this mountain limestone or granite?
If it's limestone, it'll weather pretty fast.
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Man Threatens Explosion In Moscow
Thursday August 22, 2002 1:40 PM
MOSCOW (AP) - Security officers on Thursday seized an unidentified man who
said he was armed with explosives and threatened to blow up his truck in
front of Russia's Federal Security Services headquarters in Moscow, NTV
television reported.
The officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man
got out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details
were immediately available.
The man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and
ITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to
talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400
Klez: The Virus That Won't Die
Already the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc.
Andrew Brandt
>>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine
Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002
The Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across
the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And
experts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a
combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC.
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Klez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific
virus ever.
And some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry
other viruses in them that corrupt your data.
...
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Aug 21 15:46:52 2002
Subject: Re: Insert signature
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:36:32 +1000
On Wed Aug 21 2002 at 15:46, Ulises Ponce wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is there a command to insert the signature using a combination of keys and not
> to have sent the mail to insert it then?
I simply put it (them) into my (nmh) component files (components,
replcomps, forwcomps and so on). That way you get them when you are
editing your message. Also, by using comps files for specific
folders you can alter your .sig per folder (and other tricks). See
the docs for (n)mh for all the details.
There might (must?) also be a way to get sedit to do it, but I've
been using gvim as my exmh message editor for a long time now. I
load it with a command that loads some email-specific settings, eg,
to "syntax" colour-highlight the headers and quoted parts of an
email)... it would be possible to map some (vim) keys that would add
a sig (or even give a selection of sigs to choose from).
And there are all sorts of ways to have randomly-chosen sigs...
somewhere at rtfm.mit.edu... ok, here we go:
rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/signature_finger_faq.
(Warning... it's old, May 1995).
> Regards,
> Ulises
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Tony
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:22 +0100
Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make
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> in adding cream to spaghetti carbonara, which has the same effect on pasta as
> making a pizza a deep-pie;
I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and ask
what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? I've never seen a
recipe that hasn't used this. Personally I use low fat creme fraiche because it
works quite nicely but the only time I've seen an supposedly authentic recipe
for carbonara it was identical to mine (cream, eggs and lots of fresh parmesan)
except for the creme fraiche.
Stew
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> I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and
> ask
> what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream?
Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta,
really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta
cooks the egg. That's my understanding.
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The Scotsman - 22 August 2002
Playboy wants to go out with a bang
AN AGEING Berlin playboy has come up with an unusual offer to lure women into
his bed - by promising the last woman he sleeps with an inheritance of 250,000
(<28>160,000).
Rolf Eden, 72, a Berlin disco owner famous for his countless sex partners,
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Martin Adamson wrote:
>
> Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta,
> really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta
> cooks the egg. That's my understanding.
>
You're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the
eggs. I guess I should try it without. Actually looking on the internet for a
recipe I found this one from possibly one of the scariest people I've ever seen,
and he's a US Congressman:
<http://www.virtualcities.com/ons/me/gov/megvjb1.htm>
That's one of the worst non-smiles ever.
Stew
ps. Apologies if any of the list's Maine residents voted for this man, you won't
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The Scotsman
Thu 22 Aug 2002
Meaningful sentences
Tracey Lawson
If you ever wanted to look like "one of the most dangerous inmates in prison
history", as one judge described Charles Bronson, now<6F>s your chance. Bronson -
the serial hostage taker, not the movie star - has written a health and
fitness guide in which he shares some of the secrets behind his legendary
muscle power.
Solitary Fitness - a title which bears testament to the fact that Bronson, 48,
has spent 24 of his 28 prison years in solitary confinement - explains how he
has turned himself into a lean, mean, fitness machine while living 23 hours a
day in a space just 12 feet by eight feet, on a diet of scrubs grub and at
virtually no cost.
The book is aimed at those who want to get fabulously fit without spending a
fortune on gym memberships, protein supplements or designer trainers, and
starts with a fierce attack on some of the expensive myths churned out by the
exercise industry.
"I pick up a fitness mag, I start to laugh and I wipe my arse with it," is the
opening paragraph penned by Bronson. "It<49>s a joke and a big con and they call
me a criminal!" You can<61>t help feeling he has a point.
This is not the first book that Bronson has written from behind bars, having
already published Birdman Opens His Mind, which features drawings and poems
created by Bronson while in prison. And he is not the first prisoner to
discover creative expression while residing at Her Majesty<74>s pleasure.
Jimmy Boyle, the Scots sculptor and novelist, discovered his artistic talents
when he was sent to Barlinnie Prison<6F>s famous special unit, which aimed to
help inmates put their violent pasts behind them by teaching them how to
express their emotions artistically. Boyle was sentenced to life for the
murder of "Babs" Rooney in 1967. Once released, he moved to Edinburgh where he
has become a respected artist. His first novel, Hero of the Underworld, was
published in 1999 and his autobiography, A Sense of Freedom, was made into an
award-winning film.
Hugh Collins was jailed for life in 1977 for the murder of William Mooney in
Glasgow, and in his first year in Barlinnie prison stabbed three prison
officers, earning him an extra seven-year sentence. But, after being
transferred to the same unit that Boyle attended, he learned to sculpt and
developed an interest in art. He later published Autobiography of a Murderer,
a frank account of Glasgow<6F>s criminal culture in the 1960s, which received
critical praise.
And Lord Archer doesn<73>t seem to have had trouble continuing to write the books
that have made him millions while in jail. He recently signed a three-book
deal with Macmillan publishers worth a reported <20>10 million, and is no doubt
scribbling away as we speak.
So why is it that men like Collins, Bronson and Boyle, who can be so
destructive towards society on the outside, can become so creative once stuck
on the inside? Steve Richards, Bronson<6F>s publisher, has published many books
about criminal figures and believes the roots of this phenomenon are both
pragmatic and profound.
He says: "Prison is sometimes the first time some criminals will ever have
known a stable environment, and this can be the first time they have the
chance to focus on their creative skills.
"It may also be the first time that they have really had the chance of an
education, if their early years have been hard. It could be the first time
anyone has offered them the chance to explore their creative talents."
However, Richards believes the reasons are also deeper than that. He says:
"Once they are behind bars, the cold light of day hits them, and they examine
the very essence of who they are.
"They ask themselves, am I a man who wants to be remembered for violence? Or
am I a man who can contribute to society, who can be remembered for something
good?"
Bronson - who was born Michael Gordon Peterson, but changed his name to that
of the Hollywood star of the Death Wish films - has, so far, been remembered
mainly for things bad. He was originally jailed for seven years for armed
robbery in 1974, and has had a series of sentences added to his original term
over the years as a result of attacking people in prison. In 2000 he was
jailed for life after being convicted of holding a teacher hostage for nearly
two days during a jail siege.
Standing five feet ten and a half inches tall and weighing 210lbs, he is
renowned for his strength. He has bent metal cell doors with his bare hands
and does up to 3,000 - yes, 3,000 - press-ups a day. As he puts it: "I can hit
a man 20 times in four seconds, I can push 132 press ups in 60 seconds."
But judging by our current obsession with health and exercise, Solitary
Fitness might be the book which will see Bronson<6F>s face sitting on every
coffee table in the land. He might be the man to give us the dream body which
so many so-called fitness gurus promise but fail to motivate us into. Because
Bronson has learned to use words as powerfully as he can use his fists.
"All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, it<69>s just a load of
bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket," he writes, in what can only be
described as a refreshingly honest style. "We can all be fat lazy bastards,
it<69>s our choice, I<>m sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff
your face with shit you become shit, that<61>s logical to me."
As motivational mantras go, that might be just the kick up the, er, backside
we all needed.
Solitary Fitness by Charles Bronson is published by Mirage Publishing and will
be available in bookstores from October at <20>7.99
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Hello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach?
Thank you
http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html
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I don't know how make of you are in the Bay Area but EFF is having a benifit
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Yes - great minds think alike. But even withput eval rules it would be very
useful. It would allow us to respond quickly to spammer's tricks.
Theo Van Dinter wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:27:52AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:
>
>>Has anyone though of the idea of live updates of rules after release? The
>>idea being that the user can run a cron job once a week or so and get the
>>new default rule set. This would allow us to react faster to:
>
>
> I suggested this a few months ago. I don't remember the details of what
> came out of it except that it would only be useful for non-eval rules
> since those require code changes.
>
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On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 03:08:16PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned:
> This is likely because to get it to boot, like the cobalt, I'm actually
> passing root=/dev/hda5 to the kernel, not /dev/md0.
Just to solve this...the reason I was booting the box with
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When we duplicated the filesystems with dump instead of tar, it worked
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Woohoo.
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SpamAssassin is hurting democracy!
Owen
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http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/3900215.htm
Internet can level the political playing field
By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro
NOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one
of the great recurring features of American democracy. At shopping
malls, on factory floors, at church socials and even on our front
stoops, we will be approached by individuals who want to represent us in
public office. While chances are high that we won't know them
personally, they will walk up to us, offer a handshake and a flier and
ask for our votes.
Just as technology is affecting every other area of communication, it
has begun to affect the way political candidates communicate with voters.
In this year's GOP gubernatorial primary, California Secretary of State
Bill Jones, who faced better-funded candidates, acquired the e-mail
addresses of more than a million potential California voters and sent
each an unsolicited e-mail asking for support.
That day, he might have chosen any of the more traditional -- and more
expensive -- methods of contacting voters, such as direct mail, radio
spots or TV ads. But he spent only about 2 cents per message, instead of
35 cents or more per message for direct mail or in another medium.
Had Jones chosen direct mail, radio or TV, that communication would have
been equally ``unsolicited,'' as defined in the e-mail world. Few voters
would have ``opted in'' to receive campaign information from Jones
through any of those channels.
The response to Jones' e-mail effort, however, was swift and intense. He
was lambasted by anti-spam advocates, and media coverage was almost
entirely negative. To be fair, some of Jones' tactics could have been
refined. He used a less-than-perfect list and no standard-practice
``paid for'' disclaimer in the message.
His detractors, however, attacked him not for his tactical miscues but
because the e-mail was sent unsolicited. In fact, Jones' online campaign
may have been his most visible asset. In an era of cynicism toward money
in politics -- money typically spent on other unsolicited communication
mediums -- Jones tried to level the playing field.
No one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be
highly intrusive and even offensive. But as a sophisticated society,
it's time to differentiate commercial spam from very different
unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters.
The debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress
that would constitute the first federal law to directly address spam. We
believe e-mail is no more intrusive than direct mail, telemarketing or
TV advertising when it comes to politicians seeking to reach voters. A
simple link in good e-mail campaigns allows recipients to opt out of
future mailings. Direct mail takes at least a phone call or stamp to be
taken off a list, and viewers must repeatedly endure TV ads.
When a candidate lacks a large campaign war chest, he or she can use the
Internet to provide constituents with information to better prepare them
to perform their civic duty of casting educated votes. With more than 60
percent of all potential voters in this country possessing e-mail
accounts, it makes sense that political candidates use this medium.
Candidates might avoid some of the tactical problems encountered by the
Jones campaign if they use the technologies available today that better
ensure quality of e-mail lists and target content to specific recipient
groups.
But the broader point remains. When a political candidate sends a voter
an e-mail, that recipient can choose to delete the message without
opening it, unsubscribe from the list, read it or even reply and engage
the sender. That choice should belong to the voter -- not to anti-spam
advocates whose efforts are better focused on commercial e-mail.
Political candidates should be free to communicate with voters as best
they can, and let voters decide what to do with that information.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Clinton, is CEO of an
advocacy management and communications software company. Larry Purpuro,
the former Republican National Committee deputy chief of staff, is
founder and president of a political e-marketing firm. This was written
for the Los Angeles Times.
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Hi all,
apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but),
but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed?
and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are
difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed
network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs)
any help pointers would be helpful,
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--- In forteana@y..., "D.McMann" <dmcmann@b...> wrote:
> Robert Moaby, 33, who sent death threats to staff, was also jailed
> for hoarding indecent pictures of children on his home computer.
> =========
>
> Hmm, if I didn't trust our government and secret police, I could
look at
> this another way....
There is a bit of circumstantial evidence - apparently some MT
listers were approached by him (via email) - a little research in
dejanews/google groups showed a number of messages from him, clearly
hoping to contact girls, appearing in "alt.teens" and similar groups -
I just tried a Google Groups search on "Robert Moaby" and some of
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In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kiall Mac Innes [mailto:kiall@redpie.com]
> Sent: 22 August 2002 17:23
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> Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris..
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>
> Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris
> is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to
> get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux
> based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not
> sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely
> different operating system? can someone explain...
>
> Kiall Mac Innes
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Apols if this has been posted before:
http://www.pinkpaperclips.net/subs/quiz2.html
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Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris is... as ive never
seen or used it i dont know wheather to get a server from Sun or from DELL i
would prefer a linux based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but
im not sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely different
operating system? can someone explain...
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> Apols if this has been posted before:
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> http://www.pinkpaperclips.net/subs/quiz2.html
>
So, anyone who isn't Beaker?
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned:
> In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX.
Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail.
Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make
solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with
solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to
other unixen like HPUX and SCO.
Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One
of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your
hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract,
they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software
problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc.
If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There
is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc,
though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore.
You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK,
who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux,
that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a
cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time.
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John P. Looney wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned:
>
>>In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX.
>
>
> Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail.
>
> Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make
> solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with
> solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to
> other unixen like HPUX and SCO.
>
> Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One
> of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your
> hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract,
> they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software
> problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc.
>
> If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There
> is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc,
> though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore.
>
> You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK,
> who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux,
> that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a
> cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time.
Why do you say Dell is cheaper than DNUK?
It gets a bit complicated though!
http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html
P<EFBFBD>draig.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:55:03 +0200
> > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow on
> > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this problem?
> > >
> > > I'll take the blame.
> > >
> > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequences file
> > > multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code much
> > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish to fry in
> > > my rather large patch that's on it's way.
> > >
> >
> > No panic,
> >
> > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized.
>
> Okay, this fix is now checked in.
>
I'm afraid it didn't help. It still seems to be slower than ~1 month
ago. Maybe slightly faster than yeasterday. I'm (still) seeing an
"unseen countdown" in the log.
18:51:25 Writing /home/ander/Mail/lists/l-k/.mh_sequences
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18:51:25 lists/l-k has 56 msgs in unseen
18:51:25 lists/l-k has 55 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 54 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 53 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 52 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 51 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 50 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 49 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 48 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 47 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 46 msgs in unseen
18:51:26 lists/l-k has 45 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 44 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 43 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 42 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 41 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 40 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 39 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 38 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 37 msgs in unseen
18:51:27 lists/l-k has 36 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 35 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 34 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 33 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 32 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 31 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 30 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 29 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 28 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 27 msgs in unseen
18:51:28 lists/l-k has 26 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 25 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 24 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 23 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 22 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 21 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 20 msgs in unseen
18:51:29 lists/l-k has 19 msgs in unseen
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18:51:30 lists/l-k has 15 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 14 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 13 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 12 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 11 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 10 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 9 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 digits changed
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 8 msgs in unseen
18:51:30 lists/l-k has 7 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 6 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 5 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 4 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 3 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 2 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 1 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 lists/l-k has 0 msgs in unseen
18:51:31 FlistUnseenFolder lists/l-k
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> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:55:03 +0200
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Just cvs up'ed and nowadays Catch-up Unseen is __extremely__ slow o
> n
> > > > > large (>100 msgs) unseen sequences. Anybody else having this proble
> m?
> > > >
> > > > I'll take the blame.
> > > >
> > > > The reason, I suspect, is that we're needlessly reading the .sequence
> s file
> > > > multiple times because of other sequences. I need to make the code m
> uch
> > > > smarter about handling that file, but first I have a few other fish t
> o fry in
> > > > my rather large patch that's on it's way.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No panic,
> > >
> > > I'm all for cleaning things up before getting it optimized.
> >
> > Okay, this fix is now checked in.
> >
> I'm afraid it didn't help. It still seems to be slower than ~1 month
> ago. Maybe slightly faster than yeasterday. I'm (still) seeing an
> "unseen countdown" in the log.
Okay....Catchup unseen is something that I don't use often, but i can
certainly reproduce this. I'll dig into it. It's probably simple.
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> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, John P. Looney wrote:
> > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable,
> ROFL. not in our experience.
Well at least our Caps-Lock keys work:
peter@staunton.ie said:
> Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock
> twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/
> off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable
> instead.
:-P
bauwolf@indigo.ie said:
> as if he wanted Solaris 9 for x86, he'd be waiting a bit
erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...
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> You have multiple generations of
> peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a
> human parts of the property package.
When I'd read that "getting legal title
can take 20 years", when I believe that
1 year ought to be more than sufficient,
(and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd
assumed that we were talking about the
urban poor.
If I see people living in mansions, or
even in suburban subdivisions, I assume
they didn't have too much trouble with
their titles.
If I see people living in shanties and
haphazard alleyways, I tend to assume
their parcels weren't exactly recorded
on the government maps, or paid for with
a bank loan, especially when nearby vacant
lots have shotgun wielding men presumably
intent on keeping them "development" free.
Now, it may be that "Manhattanites' view
of America" to say that outside of Metro
Manila, Davao, and maybe another city or
two (Cebu?), everything else (literally)
is the boondocks. But going on that very
broad assumption, I guess I'm describing
the flip side of Mr. Roger's experience:
the paisanos (who leave behind those who
remain on a patron's rural land) move to
Manila, and (the second assumption) squat
in shantytowns there, at least until they
can line up a middle-class job.
So, going on two large assumptions, I can
come up with a scenario under which title
would take 20 years: a shantytown arises
somewhere in the midst of a section (or
whatever the Spanish used to divvy up the
land) and it takes decades of arguing to
put together a package which somehow can
both compensate the owner and record lots
for the inhabitants. Just transferring
title to an existing lot, between parties
who have money, ought not to be a problem.
The obvious solution, at least to us
barking farting chihuahuas on FoRK, is
to "introduce market mechanisms". It is
left as an exercise to come up with one
which works when many of the agents (are
perceived to) have negligible NPV.
-Dave
> [land reform] meant that all the agricultural producers had
> to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) ...
What happened to more highly-capitalized
land? Putting in trees instead of crops
sounds like it might sidestep that.
> Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.
On the "to find" list. Any chance of
an explanation of that "Bell Jar" in
the meantime?
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Hi everybody!
I'm writing a web application in java (tomcat + jsp/servlets + database
access with postgreSQL).
This will be released under the GPL and will eventually be useful as a
framework for other web applications.
The application main focus is e-commerce, but not limited to that.
I would like to use some form of cryptography to protect data on the
database, but I have some problem figuring out the right approach.
Above all, how to store passwords and keys in a shared web server.
A problem that I was unable to solve is how to store keys for
encryption/decryption. The api that I'm using is the jca (jdk1.4.x),
and the methods of saving generated keys in keystores fails always.
I can serialize the object, and store in the database, but this is not
the most secure approach: this key is needed to decrypt data in the
database, but the database is accessible from the web application.
Assuming that I can find a good and secure place where to store the
database password, I can use a different database with different
user... Argh... to complex and doesn't really solve the problem.
Where I can found good documentation about this topic?
There is another approach that I would share with the list, something I
thought that can be of bit interest, but probabily wrong and insecure.
After all, I'm a real beginner in secure programming, and I'm here to
learn methods and technics.
First of all, I need a secure way to keep database passwords secure, so
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could be using a small java bean application that run as normal user
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nobody user), that has no shell login, but has a default home directory
or a place where it can hold passwords and keys.
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shared directories, and also, an attacker should get root/bean user
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provider gives the opportunity to configure a separated java
application (that means, really, another server running in the
background).
Any suggestions?
Thank you,
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Oooops!
Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to change folder (which fail)
/Anders
can't read "flist(seqcount,lists/exmh,unseen)": no such element in array
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On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 10:24 AM, Justin Mason wrote:
> I plan to
>
> 1. figure out the freqs tonight, suggest what tests to drop
> 2. wait for comments
> 3. drop tests that nobody cares about tomorrow
> 4. sed out the dropped tests from the mass-check logs
This step is unneccesary -- unless you've changed the scripts
much, any test in the logs which aren't in the rules files will
just be ignored I think. You do seem to have changed the
logs-to-c script and removed the bit where you could specify
immutable tests at the top -- I took a brief glance through the
code and couldn't fully make out how it had changed. I think we
want to be able to specify immutable test scores though in there
somewhere -- or is that now handled by the tflags stuff? For
the last couple releases, any test which occurred infrequently
(by thumb-in-the-wind subjective criteria) I set to have
immutable scores, as well as a handful of other rules.
> 5. kick off the GA
>
> BTW I'll be away this weekend at Linuxbierwanderung, so Craig,
> you might
> have to run the GA. ;)
Shouldn't be a problem. Assuming I can get the darned thing to
compile :)
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:43:03 -0400
In a message dated: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:03:57 CDT
Ulises Ponce said:
>Thanks Tony, but I think doing it using component files will get a .signature
>by default, but I have many diferent signatures and I want to insert one of
>that signatures using a keyboard command. So for a message I will insert a
>signature, but for another message I will insert a different signature.
>
>Is it possible? I am using sedit for my messages.
Ahm, if you don't object to using a mouse for such things, exmh has
the ability to insert different sigs on demand. Create a bunch of
different sig files, all beginning with .signature, and at start up,
exmh will load them all. In the Sedit window, you'll see a Sign...
menu item which will allow you to select between each of the listed
.signature files for *that* e-mail. You can actually use several if
you'd like (though I don't remember what Preferences... option allows
for this).
However, the signature gets added on send, not inserted directly into
the existing Sedit window prior to composition.
I currently have 6 different sig files I can choose between.
Additionally, if a .signature file has the execute bit turned on,
exmh will attempt to execute the file and use the stdout of the
script as your signature.
I hope this helps some.
--
Seeya,
Paul
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:55 -0500
Thanks Paul,
That is the way I am doing right now, but I would like to NOT use the mouse
for such things. Any other clue?
--
Saludos,
Ulises
Speaking words of wisdom ...
> In a message dated: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:03:57 CDT
> Ulises Ponce said:
>
> >Thanks Tony, but I think doing it using component files will get a .signature
> >by default, but I have many diferent signatures and I want to insert one of
> >that signatures using a keyboard command. So for a message I will insert a
> >signature, but for another message I will insert a different signature.
> >
> >Is it possible? I am using sedit for my messages.
>
> Ahm, if you don't object to using a mouse for such things, exmh has
> the ability to insert different sigs on demand. Create a bunch of
> different sig files, all beginning with .signature, and at start up,
> exmh will load them all. In the Sedit window, you'll see a Sign...
> menu item which will allow you to select between each of the listed
> .signature files for *that* e-mail. You can actually use several if
> you'd like (though I don't remember what Preferences... option allows
> for this).
>
> However, the signature gets added on send, not inserted directly into
> the existing Sedit window prior to composition.
>
> I currently have 6 different sig files I can choose between.
>
> Additionally, if a .signature file has the execute bit turned on,
> exmh will attempt to execute the file and use the stdout of the
> script as your signature.
>
> I hope this helps some.
> --
>
> Seeya,
> Paul
> --
> It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing,
> but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away.
>
> If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right!
>
>
>
>
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Folks,
my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux.
Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk
for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went
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If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful -
I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas.
Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions
welcome.
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In a message dated: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:55 CDT
Ulises Ponce said:
>Thanks Paul,
>That is the way I am doing right now, but I would like to NOT use the mouse
>for such things. Any other clue?
The best I can think of is to figure out what the command being
issued by exmh is that selects and inserts the sig and bind that to a
key sequence. That shouldn't be *too* difficult, it's just a matter
of figuring out the tcl (something my perl-based brain isn't excited
about :)
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Chris Haun wrote:
> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the carbon of
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
--]Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in
--]the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond.
So thats why I keep seeing DeBeers agents hovering around me.
-tom(diamonds in the folds of my flesh)wsmf
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:30:07 -0300
Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
> Chris Haun wrote:
>
>> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the
>> carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful
>> life.
>
>
> Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in
> the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond.
>
> - Joe
>
Oh, hell - what about excrement? I'd love to be able to say - No, the
sun doesn't shine out of my ass, but there's the occasional diamond. ;-).
Owen
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From: Ciaran Johnston <cj@nologic.org>
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Subject: Re: [ILUG] Formatting a windows partition from Linux
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:58:07 +0100
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Update on this for anyone that's interested, and because I like closed
threads... nothing worse than an infinite while loop, is there?
I ended up formatting a floppy on my flatmate's (un-networked) P100 running
FAT16 Win95, and mcopied the contents of the bootdisk across. Now I have a
FAT16 Win98 install running alongside Slackware, and can play Metal Gear
Solid when the mood takes me ;)
/Ciaran.
On Wednesday 21 August 2002 16:21, Ciaran Johnston wrote:
> Dublin said:
> > If you copy the files from your disk to the c: partition and mark it as
> > active it should work ...
>
> Yeah, I figured that, but it doesn't seem to ... well, if that's the case
> I'll give it another go tonight, maybe come back with some error messages.
>
> Just to clarify for those who didn't understand me initially - I have a
> floppy drive installed, but it doesn't physically work. There's nowhere
> handy to pick one up where I am, and I don't fancy waiting a few days for
> one to arrive from Peats.
>
> Thanks for the answers,
> Ciaran.
>
> > You especially need io.sys, command.com and msdos.sys
> >
> > your cd driver .sys and read the autoexec.bat and config.sys files for
> > hints on what you did with your boot floppy <g>
> >
> > P
> >
> > On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 14:07, Ciaran Johnston wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >> The situation is this: at home, I have a PC with 2 10Gig HDDs, and no
> >> (working) floppy drive. I have been running Linux solely for the last
> >> year, but recently got the urge to, among other things, play some of
> >> my Windoze games. I normally install the windows partition using a
> >> boot floppy which I have conveniently zipped up, but I haven't any way
> >> of writing or reading a floppy.
> >> So, how do I go about:
> >> 1. formatting a C: drive with system files (normally I would use
> >> format /s c: from the floppy).
> >> 2. Installing the CDROM drivers (my bootdisk (I wrote it many years
> >> ago) does this normally).
> >> 3. Booting from the partition?
> >>
> >> I wiped all my linux partitions from the first drive and created
> >> partitions for Windows (HDA1) Slackware and RedHat. I used cfdisk for
> >> this. I made the first drive (hda) bootable. I then installed the
> >> windows partition in LILO and reran lilo (installed in MBR). I copied
> >> the contents of boot.zip to my new windows partition and tried to boot
> >> it - all I get is a garbled line of squiggles.
> >>
> >> Anyone any ideas? I can't think of anywhere in Athlone to get a new
> >> floppy drive this evening...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ciaran.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie
> >> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription
> >> information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie
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> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
> Long
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:12 AM
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> Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism
>
>
>
> When I'd read that "getting legal title
> can take 20 years", when I believe that
> 1 year ought to be more than sufficient,
> (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd
> assumed that we were talking about the
> urban poor.
>
> If I see people living in mansions, or
> even in suburban subdivisions, I assume
> they didn't have too much trouble with
> their titles.
Pg 177:
In another country, a local newspaper, intrigued by our evidence of
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==========
I'd have made the same assumption you did. De Soto says that isn't
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> > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.
>
> On the "to find" list. Any chance of
> an explanation of that "Bell Jar" in
> the meantime?
French historian Fernand Braudel (so Braudel's Bell Jar, not De Soto's)
==>
The key problem is to find out why that sector of society of the past,
which I would not hesitate to call capitalist, should have lived as if
in a bell jar, cut off from the rest; why was it not able to expand and
conquer the whole of society? ... [Why was it that] a significant rate
of capital formation was possible only in certain sectors and not in the
whole market economy of the time? ... It would perhaps be teasingly
paradoxial to say that whatever was in short supply, money certainly was
not ... so this was an age where poor land was bought up and magnificent
country residents built ... [How do we] resolve the contradiction ...
between the depressed economic climate and the splendors of Florence
under Lorenzo the Magnificent?
--------------
De Soto's theory is that the Bell Jar is formed when you segregate those
who have *practical* access to legal property rights and those who do
not. The poor[1] have property -- lots and lots of property. What they
don't have is access to the systems where we turn property into capital
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[1] Actual poor people, not 'poor' Americans with a living standard that
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Has anyone seen/heard of/used some package that would let a random person
go to a webpage, create a mailing list, then administer that list. Also
of course let ppl sign up for the lists and manage their subscriptions.
Similar to the old listbot.org, but i'd like to have it running on my
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> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:23:17 +0200
>
>
> Oooops!
>
> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to change folde
> r (which fail)
~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently I did so after
you checked it out and before you sent this mail...I hoped I was fast enough
that you wouldn't see it.
Try again!
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An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad):
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html
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TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under
considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's
tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started
telling disparaging anecdotes about the President.
Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good
friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques
Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of
the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in
Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.'
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>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, "Chris" == Chris Garrigues wrote:
Chris> --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain;
Chris> charset=us-ascii
+> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 22 Aug
+> 2002 20:23:17 +0200
+> Oooops!
+> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to
+> change folde r (which fail)
Chris> ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently
Chris> I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this
Chris> mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it.
Chris> Try again!
Works like a charm. It's like the box was on drugs or something.
However, while testing it a selected my favourite folder (l-k) and
marked ~400 messages unread. THAT took forever, or about as long as
Catch-up Unseen did before. Any suggestions?
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Al white wrote:
>erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...
It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard.
(I was joking Al)
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Hi,
Thank you for the useful replies, I have found some interesting
tutorials in the ibm developer connection.
https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec1
and
https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec2
Registration is needed.
I will post the same message on the Web Application Security list, as
suggested by someone.
For now, I thing I will use md5 for password checking (I will use the
approach described in secure programmin fo linux and unix how-to).
I will separate the authentication module, so I can change its
implementation at anytime.
Thank you again!
Mario Torre
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--==_Exmh_592622610P
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> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:14:20 +0200
>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, "Chris" == Chris Garrigues wrote:
>
> Chris> --==_Exmh_267413022P Content-Type: text/plain;
> Chris> charset=us-ascii
>
> +> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Date: Thu, 22 Aug
> +> 2002 20:23:17 +0200
>
> +> Oooops!
>
> +> Doesn't work at all. Got this on startup and on any attempt to
> +> change folde r (which fail)
>
> Chris> ~sigh~ I'd already found that and checked it in....apparently
> Chris> I did so after you checked it out and before you sent this
> Chris> mail...I hoped I was fast enough that you wouldn't see it.
>
> Chris> Try again!
>
>
> Works like a charm. It's like the box was on drugs or something.
>
> However, while testing it a selected my favourite folder (l-k) and
> marked ~400 messages unread. THAT took forever, or about as long as
> Catch-up Unseen did before. Any suggestions?
That's fixed now. I thought I'd caught all the occurrences of that particular
coding stupidity.
Chris
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Mark Twomey joked:
> >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...
>
> It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard.
> (I was joking Al)
And will run Solaris 9 when Sun catch up with the x86 drivers and kernel.
Although don't hold your breath for the free DVD. It will never come.
(Spot the person who applied for the free Solaris 9 DVD, only to be told
three months later it is no longer available.<mutter>)
FWIW Solaris and Linux seem to be getting closer all the time. I can no
longer see any specific reason why one is better than the other. Expect Red
Hat Solaris 11 any time now... <grin>
- Matthew
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Robert Harley wrote:
> An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad):
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm
Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with
the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."
Status: False.
Origins: Yet another French fried "George W. Bush is dumb"
story has been taken up by those who like their caricatures
drawn in stark, bold lines. According to scuttlebutt that
emerged in the British press in July 2002, President Bush,
Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, and France's President
Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular,
the decline of the French economy. "The problem with the
French," Bush afterwards confided in Blair, "is that they don't
have a word for entrepreneur."
The source was Shirley Williams, also known as the Baroness
Williams of Crosby, who claimed "my good friend Tony Blair" had
recently regaled her with this anecdote in Brighton.
Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness
Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did
receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of
communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime
minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly
never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it,"
Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must
have been a joke."
This is far from the first time Bush has been made the butt of
a jibe meant to showcase what some perceive as his less than
stellar intellectual abilities. Without straining our memories
too hard, we can come up with three other instances we've
chronicled on this site. In the summer of 2001, the joke of the
moment centered upon a supposed study that had resulted in the
ranking of Presidential IQs, with George W. Bush being pegged
as the Chief Executive who scraped the bottom of the
intelligence barrel. In December 2000 it was a fake Nostradamus
quatrain which pontificated that the "village idiot" would win
the 2000 Presidential election. And in the spring of 2002, it
was the story of Bush's waving at Stevie Wonder that set folks
to chortling up their sleeves.
Stories that illustrate this widely believed intellectual
shortcoming will always waft after George W. Bush because they
seemingly confirm what many already hold as true about this
public figure, that he's not the brightest fellow that's ever
been. It is human nature to revel in yarns that the hearer at
some level agrees with, thus tales of this sort will always
fall upon appreciative ears.
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Subject: RE: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2
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hehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes? theres one
ive never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell
computers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red
hat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as
mine...
-----Original Message-----
From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of Peter
Staunton
Sent: 22 August 2002 19:58
To: ilug@linux.ie
Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2
Folks,
my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux.
Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard
disk
for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which
went
fine except it didn't pick up my monitor.
I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia
GeForce4
Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's
default
set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using
RPM.
Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net),
but
it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?
Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock
twice,
the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch
is
inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead.
If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful -
I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas.
Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat?
Opinions
welcome.
Thanks a lot,
Peter
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:17:46 +0100
At 17:10 22/08/2002 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> > apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but),
> > but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed?
>
>No - you get unfiltered access with a real (but dynamic) IP address.
>
> > and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are
> > difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed
> > network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs)
>
>You will probably suffer from the high latency of DLS lines. Typically,
>you're talking about 50ms RTT to the local bas, which is pretty high.
>If your voip application can handle this, then you're ok.
>
>Nick
what's the deal with all this latency? it's not like that in other places
where I've used dsl. i read some story about it being done that way to
allow greater distances to be covered or something like that. however, my
knowledge of physics is really only newtonian, and I don't understand how
worsening latency could possibly improve the reliability of a 2000 foot
long piece of copper. Perhaps it has something to do with stretching the
time-space continuum? can someone explain this in words of five syllables
or less?
a.
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Political mail (the snail kind) doesn't bother me. I like it a lot of the
time, because as crap as it is at least it's not the kind of info you get
on TV. Particularly for small time local politics, it's the best way to
get information.
but what matters is that mail is speech, and political email has to be as
well protected as any other political speech. Spam is *the* tool for
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Manoj Kasichainula wrote;
>http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm
>
>Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with
>the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."
>
>Status: False.
Status: Crap.
>Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness
>Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did
>receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of
>communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime
>minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly
>never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it,"
>Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must
>have been a joke."
So some guy failed to reach the source, but instead got spin doctor to
deny it. Wot, is he thick enough to expect official confirmation
that, yes, Blair is going around casting aspersions on Bush???
It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly
nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False".
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Lucas Gonze:
>Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited
>means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.
That depends on how the list is collected, or
even on what the senders say about how the list
is collected. Better to just put it on a website,
and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND
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On 23 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Robert Harley wrote:
> It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not,
> but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative
> sounding conclusion "Status: False".
I actually thought it was pretty funny and quite accurate. Who cares if the spinmeisters are denying it?
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote:
--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly
--]nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False".
--]
So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed
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standard...
Yeah, I see how that could be a handy tool RH.
(before teh lablemongers are out and about, I could give a shit what
BubbaU utters, its all shite. Kill your idols folks, your slips are
showing)
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< >
> I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM.
> Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net),
but
> it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?
hmmm.
Peter.
Open a terminal and as root type
lsmod
you want to find a module called
NVdriver.
If it isn't loaded then load it.
#insmod NVdriver.o
Oh and ensure you have this module loaded on boot.... else when you reboot
you might be in for a nasty surprise.
Once the kernel module is loaded
#vim /etc/X11/XF86Config
in the section marked
Driver I have "NeoMagic"
you need to have
Driver "nvidia"
Here is part of my XF86Config
Also note that using the card you are using you 'should' be able to safely
use the FbBpp 32 option .
Section "Module"
Load "extmod"
Load "xie"
Load "pex5"
Load "glx"
SubSection "dri" #You don't need to load this Peter.
Option "Mode" "666"
EndSubSection
Load "dbe"
Load "record"
Load "xtrap"
Load "speedo"
Load "type1"
EndSection
#Plus the Modelines for your monitor should be singfinicantly different.
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor Model"
HorizSync 28.00-35.00
VertRefresh 43.00-72.00
Modeline "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625
Modeline "1024x768" 49 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "neomagic" #Change this to "nvidia"... making sure the modules
are in the correct path
VendorName "Neomagic" # "Nvidia"
BoardName "NM2160"
BusID "PCI:0:18:0"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
#FbBpp 32 #Ie you should be able lto uncomment this line
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" # And add in higher resulutions as
desired.
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According to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the
French had no word for victory.
Chuck
On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote:
> An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad):
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under
> considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's
> tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started
> telling disparaging anecdotes about the President.
>
> Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good
> friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques
> Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of
> the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in
> Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.'
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> R
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Whore eructed:
>--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but
>--]certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion
>--]"Status: False".
>
>So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed
>true [...]
Exsqueeze me, but what part of "I don't know if it's true or not"
did you fail to grok? I personally doubt it simply because I never
heard of Bush and Chirac going to Brighton.
Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked
out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK? Good thing
we have you around to keep us on the straight and narrow, all the while
inundating us with such erudite profundities as "Kill your idols folks",
"fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in" and innumerable
other dippy bromides.
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Actually it doesn't say that they did, just that Blair spoke to
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Once upon a time, Joshua wrote :
> Just a thought, would it be possible to generalize this ALSA
> stuff to make building a kernel with *any* custom/optional/updated
> modules an easy thing? I think some scripts or at least step-by-step
> instructions would be great.
>
> For example, to build a kernel RPM with ALSA do:
> 1. get the kernel source
> 2. get the ALSA source
> 3. run the custom-kernel.sh script
> ...
>
> Or a kernel RPM with the lastest wireless LAN drivers:
> 1. get the kernel source
> 2. get the CVS driver source
> 3. run the custom-kernel.sh script
> ...
>
> etc.
This wouldn't be worth the effort involved IMHO, and would probably end up
in relative breakage of a few systems if not carefully tested.
Your first example is a good one, because I really think it's even easier
currently :
1. Leave your current kernel as-is
2. Get the "alsa-driver" source rpm
3. Rebuild and install resulting packages
Drivers that are written to be easily compiled as modules (like ltmodem,
NVidia, ALSA etc.) can easily be repackaged separately as rpms and ported
as easily for various kernel rpms from the source rpm.
Also, what you describe is sort of the opposite of what rpm packaging is in
my mind. I see it more as a "one size fits all" achievement in the general
case. And kernel isn't an exception (although there are packages optimized
for various processors) since they all come with just about all the modules
you'll ever need. Make that "one size fits many" then if you want ;-)
Last but not least : The kernel is something I'm trying to keep away from
in my packaging since I really don't want to see newbies screwing up their
systems because of packages on my website... same goes for GNOME, KDE and
other major bits of the distribution since I also want people who happily
use my packages to be able to upgrade to the next Red Hat Linux release
without having their system turned into another Ximian mess.
Matthias
PS: Yes Chris, I'm worried about not giving you too much work! Less in fact
since you can easily answer "freshrpms.net!" to people asking how to play
DVDs, right? ;-))))
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It will function as a router if that is what you wish.
It even looks like the modem's embedded OS is some kind of linux, being that
it has interesting interfaces like eth0.
I don't use it as a router though.... I just have it do the absolute minimum
DSL stuff and do all the really fun stuff like pppoe on my linux box........
Also the manual tells you what the default password is.
Don't forget to run pppoe over the alcatel speedtouch 350i as in my case you
'HAVE TO' have a bridge configured in the router/modem's software........
This lists your VCI values etc.
> Also, does anyone know if the high-end SpeedTouch, with
> 4 ethernet ports, can act as a full router or do I still
> need to run a pppoe stack on the linux box?
>
> Regards,
>
> Vin
>
>
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>>>>> "E" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> writes:
E> Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet
E> Saturation. Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the
E> middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year,
E> wouldn't *you* like a bit of internet distraction? They've
E> already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island.
There's lots of similar places. Saskatchewan, for example, once
shared with Iceland the distinction of most telephone connections per
capita, and for a long time shared the internet penetration lead with
Iceland (Sask is a land-locked massive expanse of ultra-flat dust with
only two rivers and farm sizes measured in the
hundred-thousand-hectares).
It's still curious Iceland leads. Maybe there's just a deep cultural
curiousity and fascination with watching advertising from the rest of
the world. Maybe they're downloading Bjork videos.
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On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Tom wrote:
> Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a
> bunch put into a book called Turing Omnibus and then there is , of
> course, all the goodens put out by Dougy Hoffstadler.
A.K. Dewdney was the name I was looking for and the column was "Computer
Recreations". Turns out he's still in Ontario and even has some homemade
Sci-Fi online...
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/akd/TALES/index.html
Vat Man
Programming Roger
The Homunculids
Alphie & Omega
...Ross...

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On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote:
> Dan Kohn <dan@dankohn.com> writes:
>
> > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself
> > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to
> > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all
> > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will
> > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill
> > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise.
>
> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a
> score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle
> for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.
I have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not
support it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is
nobody's problem but Habeas's.
A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of
incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet
to think of an incentive that fits the bill ...
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote:
> I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's
> points.
>
> - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is
> assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the
> Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix
> the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever *needs* to score over 5 in our
> scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway.
This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all
its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject
at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10).
If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1,
there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their
thresholds to 5.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote:
> But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that
> frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas
> mark, that will be one way to help.
Newsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor
of at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message
basis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle
> spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to
> $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for
> copyright infringement.
Sorry, that just can't work.
If the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam,
and effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g.,
SA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then
spammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody
left to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their
will because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark.
Conversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to
make all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose
for which it was designed.
Either way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against
real spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops,
then either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights
to use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both
created and monopolized a market for "internet postage stamps" that
everybody has to pay them for.
The latter would be quite a coup if they [*] could pull it off -- they do
absolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with
lawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly
from everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the
privilege of policing their trademark for them. I don't believe they'll
ever get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it.
[*] And I use the term "they" loosely, because the whole company could
consist of one lawyer if it really got to that point.
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Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip
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Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word
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Justin MacCarthy wrote:
| Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip
| files??
| Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word
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| Thanks Justin
|
|
probably there are more elegant solutions, but if your zips are in one
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John P. Looney stated the following on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 :
> I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with this, but I can't get a redhat
> 7.1 box to use ttyS0 as a console.
>
> The relevant bits of /boot/grub/grub.conf are:
>
> serial --unit=0 --speed=115200
> terminal --timeout=2 console serial
> title=linux
> root (hd0,4)
> kernel /boot/bzImage ro root=/dev/md0 console=ttyS0,115200n81
^
That 1 is unneeded and is probably whats upsetting your kernel
we use "console=ttyS0,9600n8" but the 9600 is mainly cos we are a cisco
shop and its to keepo everyhting the same.
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Not true on the choice part.
After three weeks of me telling eircom that I did not in fact need nor want
their ?1800 worth of router and firewall
nor their onsite survey... for the uncapped service I actually managed to
get a 4 port modem (after asking for a 1 port modem) instead of ye olde
hardware router & firewall and eircom onsite.
I would have argued for the 1 port modem... (which I had asked for), but a
Director wanted the DSL up ... and fast....
Still it only took me three weeks to get (almost) what I
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first of a very short series.
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This is happening due to insufficient write access to the
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Thanks Matthias. Actually I got all four speakers with subwoofer
working in digital out mode with gamixer.
(http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/fmurata/linux/down/)
However switching between analog and digital, I'm still baffled. As I
have a tuner and cassette deck hooked up to "Line In" on a SBLive! 5.1,
which is in analog mode. But digital out works great now!
On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:26, Matthias Saou wrote:
> Once upon a time, Lance wrote :
>
> > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like
> > before which is great! My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming
> > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound.
> > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well.
>
> Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card?
> Also, you could try "alsactl store", editing /etc/asound.state" by hand
> (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with "alsamixer")
> then run "alsactl restore" and see if you're able to change what you want
> that way.
>
> Matthias
>
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I want to thank those involved in making these RPMS available. Thanks
guys, thanks Matthias.
Lance
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 14:30, Lance wrote:
> Thanks Matthias. Actually I got all four speakers with subwoofer
> working in digital out mode with gamixer.
> (http://www1.tcnet.ne.jp/fmurata/linux/down/)
>
> However switching between analog and digital, I'm still baffled. As I
> have a tuner and cassette deck hooked up to "Line In" on a SBLive! 5.1,
> which is in analog mode. But digital out works great now!
>
> On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 23:26, Matthias Saou wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Lance wrote :
> >
> > > Ok, I got ALSA installed and there is no static inbetween mp3s like
> > > before which is great! My setup is digital 4.1 but sound is only coming
> > > from front 2 speakers and subwoofer, rear speakers there is no sound.
> > > Also alsamixer or aumix are unresponsive as well.
> >
> > Maybe you could find more info or tips on the ALSA page for your card?
> > Also, you could try "alsactl store", editing /etc/asound.state" by hand
> > (for me it contains data similar to what I can control with "alsamixer")
> > then run "alsactl restore" and see if you're able to change what you want
> > that way.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Saou World Trade Center
> > ------------- Edificio Norte 4 Planta
> > System and Network Engineer 08039 Barcelona, Spain
> > Electronic Group Interactive Phone : +34 936 00 23 23
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.freshrpms.net/mailman/listinfo/rpm-list
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I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker
or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit
more palmos friendly?
I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;
I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some
other more friendly format.
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> The following was personal correspondence between two people. I can't
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Was it sent in HTML? If so, and it had a background, the background may have
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> Was it sent in HTML? If so, and it had a background, the background may have
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razor-agents 2.14 needs all parts to be spam to make a positive decision
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Good Day!
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:10:47PM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote:
> I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker
> or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit
> more palmos friendly?
You could try antiword (http://www.winfield.demon.nl/linux/).
It's consoled based and converts word 6+ docs to text and some images to
postscript and png. You could also try openoffice and/or abiword if you
have x installed.
> I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;
> I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some
> other more friendly format.
Great! ;)
Mabuhay! barryg
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On 14:22 29 Aug 2002, Matthias Saou <matthias@egwn.net> wrote:
| Once upon a time, Axel wrote :
| > I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou
| > himself is "dude", and some package has hardwired a path in his build
| > directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using
| > too many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down.
|
| Indeed, my usual login is "dude" (and has been since long before "The Big
| Lebowsky" came out ;-)), and it seems the some programs wrongly hard code
| my home directory when being compiled :-(
| For instance :
|
| [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/gentoo | grep dude
| /home/dude/
| [dude@python dude]$ strings /usr/bin/xine | grep dude
| /home/dude/redhat/tmp/xine-root/usr/share/locale
|
| These should probably be considered bugs in the program's build process
| (especially for xine, look at that!), I'll report them upstream if/when I
| have some time.
This is a standard trap for people building things from source. It's
generally wise to have a special "build" environment to avoid these
hassles. Most likely you have some library loading path in your env. An
strace of the app will show it:
the-app 2>&1 | grep dude
Personally, I have a script called logbuild whose entire purpose is to
start a shell with a minimal build environment, logged with script. The
prevents this kind of error. Since configure yanks all sorts of ill
documented values from one's environment for use in the build (CC, ARCH,
various LD_* variables) this kind of thing is necessary.
Often the easiest thing is to have a special nonroot account with no .profile
for building stuff.
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Subject: Re: [scoop] Scoop MS Word .doc file into something that plucker or other Palm app can display?
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On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 19:27, Barry Dexter A. Gonzaga wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:10:47PM -0400, Larry W. Virden wrote:
> > I am wondering whether there's a way that I can use sitescooper and/or plucker
> > or some other free utility to convert word documents into something a bit
> > more palmos friendly?
>
> You could try antiword (http://www.winfield.demon.nl/linux/).
> It's consoled based and converts word 6+ docs to text and some images to
> postscript and png.
also there's catdoc and wv for Word --> text conversions. actually, wv
consists of wvWare, which as the manpage says "converts word documents
into other formats such as PS, PDF, HTML, LaTeX, DVI, ABW". HTML would
probably be the best format for use with Plucker/SiteScooper, depending
on how good the DOC --> HTML conversion is. i haven't used either in
over a year as AbiWord or OpenOffice work well enough. (prefer AbiWord
for it's light-weight size, but OpenOffice has the better DOC importer.)
don't know which of these are better or worse than the other, but i
figure, "the more the merrier". ;-)
> You could also try openoffice and/or abiword if you
> have x installed.
AbiWord supports exporting to PalmDoc (.pdb) which is about as
PalmOS-friendly as you can get. never tried/needed it, but it's listed
there in the "Save As" dialog box.
Wine (or CrossOver Office, if you already have it) may support Word
Viewer (free download from Microsoft), but didn't a year or so ago when
i last tried. Word Viewer is what i used back in the day to convert
Word 97 docs to Word 95, as you could display the Word 97 doc and copy &
paste the text (with formatting) into Word 95, which was the only
version of Word that i had. anyways, a little nostalgia.
> > I don't have a Windows machine, so it becomes problematic to convert them;
> > I know that if this were not the case, in Word I could save them as some
> > other more friendly format.
i have a windows (dual-boot) machine, but it only get used by my
significant other and for burning multi-session cd-r/rw. (is there any
linux gui app that supports cdrecord's multi-session feature?) since
OpenOffice, i've been able to edit Word docs flawlessly (or at least the
simple Word documents i receive from others).
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Thank you
Javier
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> =A0
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> battery backups so we are very seldom down.
> =A0
> I'd like to swap with someone also using Simple DNS to take advantage=20=
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> =A0
> =A0
> =A0
> Bob Musser
> Database Services, Inc.
> Makers of:
> =A0=A0 Process Server's Toolbox
> =A0=A0 Courier Service Toolbox
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El Viernes, 30 agosto, 2002, a las 10:25 AM, Bob Musser escribi=F3:
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=A0
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the police station waiting to see a judge and I thought I
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somewhat recklessly, to the Bay Area Wireless list. Exit
the rest of the Wifi community through the nearest window
and out into the streets... where, cooling tempers, the
Microsoft Palladium boys are on an endless summer tour,
reassuring the experts that while, hmm, they *suppose* Pd
could *theoretically* be used as a Hollywood DRM system,
they truly have no plans to do any such thing. Cypherpunk
and friend of freedom Lucky Green hears this; thinks up four
or five of the obvious Palladium DRM implementations; sends
them off to be patented in his name. Licensing funds, we
imagine, will go on cracking his own DRMs. And so the mail
loops on.
http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2002-August/008507.html
- administrivia: HI MOM, I'M IN JAIL
http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@wasabisystems.com/msg02554.html
- Green/Palladium, like Green Kryptonite
Could Lucky get himself arrested under the DMCA for
distributing a circumvention device? Worse: now we have the
EUCD incoming, could he here in the UK? Will Alan Cox go to
jail for posting detailed Changelogs? Will even the nicest
UK cryptographer (or curious garage tinkerer) find
themselves hauled up under our new and scarily DMCAish
copyright regime? Find out the facts at the free FAIR DEAL
FOR COPYRIGHT conference, organised by the irrepressible
FOUNDATION FOR INFORMATION POLICY RESEARCH for Wednesday
2002-09-18 at the London School of Economics. All the usual
fun from the creators of the Scrambling for Safety crypto
cons: we confidently predict government spokesmen caught in
headlights, wanton Dave Bird heckling, some industry bigwig
fighting off the audience with a broken chairleg, and other
epiphenomena of the interzone between legal minds and hacker
ethics. Oh, and FIPR are still looking for a Programme
Director, so if you're interested, let them know. We
suggested a convention raffle (first prize: the director's
job, second prize: Ross Anderson as your personal slave for
a day). They say there's some rule that would break, though.
http://www.fipr.org/vacancy.html
- doesn't the Foundation use psychohistory for filling these positions?
For those of us who can't read the abbreviation EULA without
thinking of Martian fighting machines and their "deafening
howls... which roared like thunder", we're sorry to report
that this weekend's multimedia performance of Jeff Wayne's WAR
OF THE WORLDS has been postponed due to "health and safety
issues". The event was to feature computer graphics,
fireworks, "60ft-tall Martian fighting machines" wreaking
"havoc and destruction", and - most terrifyingly of all - the
possibility of a David Essex tribute singer performing with
Hawkwind, but UKP18 tickets for the Sat 2002-08-31 show at
Manchester's Heaton Park will still be valid at a range of new
venues next summer. Ironically, the Martians' original
invasion plans were similarly thwarted by health and safety
issues, "slain after all man's devices had failed by the
humblest creatures that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this
earth: bacteria. Minute, invisible, bacteria. For, directly
the invaders arrived and drank and fed, our microscopic allies
attacked them..."
http://www.waroftheworlds.info/postpone.htm
- "...From that moment, they were doomed."
>> ANTI-NEWS <<
berating the obvious
moving on from PUERILE GOOGLE MISSPELLINGS, weird search-and-
replace artefact: http://www.google.com/search?q=consideyellow ,
Japanese fan sites for "plince", "steery dan", "def reppard"
et al, plus the 18,000 or more self-referential Usenet .sigs:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22get+random+signatures%22
...http://www.colocation-network.com/ "Zerodowntime" ad leads
to: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohzero.gif ... slightly
harsh alt text: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohover.gif ...
US military discovers the only "translator" those bastards
seem to understand: http://www.ntk.net/2002/08/30/dohgun.gif
... scary blue men herald return of the bizarre BBC hacking
pics: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1494091.stm ... reporter RYAN
DILLEY http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2202552.stm pulls his
http://starwars.org.pl/galeria/e2/char/anakin/t001.jpg face
... banjo maestro GEORGE FORMBY still alive, cooking, black:
http://www.readersheds.co.uk/readersheds/shop.cfm?WOSNAMES=Wosnames
... thanks guys, that ought to do it: http://www.eap.ca/ ...
>> EVENT QUEUE <<
goto's considered non-harmful
Controversially, we're all in favour of THE GUARDIAN GREAT
BRITISH BLOG COMPETITION (closing date next Fri 2002-09-06,
first prize UKP1000, entry free), in that any initiative that
encourages this notoriously primadonna-ish "community" to try
and engage with real-world notions of editorial quality surely
has to be a good thing. Our only disappointment is that The
Guardian appears to be focussing on the "best" of the entries,
when everyone knows the real fun is to be had cruising the
truly terrible examples that the genre has to offer, mentally
allocating points for "Most Depressing Recycling Of Daypop Top
40 URLs", "Most Unsettling Revelations About Personal Life",
plus of course "Most Tedious Linking/Reciprocal Linking To Other
Bloggers In Absence Of Having Anything Interesting To Say".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weblog/bestbritishblog/
- "A strange game, Professor Falken..."
http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/comment/0,7496,765161,00.html
- "...the only winning move is not to play."
>> TRACKING <<
sufficiently advanced technology : the gathering
The respective trademark holders will hate this, but
Windows really *is* like the Sun. You have this big hulking
mass of concentrated power in the middle, with a few small
orbiting utilities - like WinZip, and PuTTY, and VNC.
Occasionally one will get a bit too close to the OS, and
Microsoft will suck it down and turn it into fuel for the
System. One such discrete satellite remains FILEZILLA, the
still-necessary ftp gui client for Windows. Those who know
it won't need the introduction, although they might
appreciate the note that it's getting close to v2.0 time.
For dogged WS_FTP users, though, it's got multiple
downloads, auto-restart of interrupted 'loads, queuing, and
sftp and Kerberos support. It's also GPL'd which makes it a
nice bit of source for anyone wanting to grok Win32
networking from something that works.
http://filezilla.sf.net/
- talking of trademarks, will the Godzilla people strike before MS?
>> MEMEPOOL <<
ceci n'est pas une http://www.gagpipe.com/
(Not safe for work) next year's RED NOSE DAY looks more fun
than usual: http://www.threepillows.com/tour2.htm ... Mirrored
Disaster Recovery Suite - to go with mirrored bathroom etc?:
http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=1450
... and then the kid can take you to court for mental cruelty:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/08/27/turok.baby.reut/ ...
"funny" prefixes in front of "chalking" #n+1 - the actually
quite pragmatic: http://www.pinkbunny.co.uk/poochalking/ ...
no longer knowing - or caring - if these are prank AMAZON
reviews or not, for Potter's ever-popular "vibrating" broom:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005NEBW/
... ditto "Use This Software At Your Own Risk" disclaimer for:
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=41030
... DAFFY DUCK appears in dock - accused of "dethpicable"
behaviour?: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2223065.stm ,
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_659889.html ...
>> GEEK MEDIA <<
get out less
TV>> celebrity cameo night tonight, with Brad Pitt in FRIENDS
(9pm, Fri, C4), Sydney Pollack in WILL AND GRACE (9.30pm, Fri,
C4), Dustin Hoffman in V GRAHAM NORTON (10.30pm, Fri, C4), and
a singing, dancing peanut in globalised trade documentary ALT-
TV (7.30pm, Fri, C4)... the BBC have kept McEnroe and the
heart monitor, got rid of the live crocodiles in gimmicky
quizshow THE CHAIR (6.40pm, Sat, BBC1)... and a month of
"September 11th" specials kicks off with AVENGING TERROR (8pm,
Sat & Sun, C4) - yet those responsible for BOWFINGER (9pm,
Sat, C4) and NOTTING HILL (9pm, Sun, C4) still remain
unpunished... John "The Last Seduction" Dahl's ROUNDERS (11pm,
Sat, BBC2) turns out to be about high-stakes poker, rather
than the girls' version of baseball... in the wake of DAVE
GORMAN'S IMPORTANT ASTROLOGY EXPERIMENT (10.40pm, Sun, BBC2),
how about a three-way challenge where he, Tony Hawks and Pete
McCarthy battle to come up with the most lucrative pointless
pretext for a book and TV show?... but we still have a soft
spot for Ron "Alien: Resurrection" Perlman liberal self-
flagellation THE LAST SUPPER (11.20pm, Sun, C4)... 9/11 CLEAR
THE SKIES (9pm, Sun, BBC2) is a presumably uneventful account
of "how US air defence systems responded to the events of
September 11th"... inexplicably, the three finalists in THE
TARTIEST MEN IN BRITAIN (10.30pm, Mon, ITV) all come from
Leeds... Larry Clark takes a somewhat indirect approach to
conveying his safe-sex message in New York filth-fest KIDS
(1.15am, Tue, C4)... and the September 11th build-up continues
with HOW THE TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSED (8pm, Mon, C4), LET'S ROLL:
THE STORY OF FLIGHT 93 (10.30pm, Wed, ITV), plus THE MEYSSAN
CONSPIRACY (11.05pm, Tue, C4) - ie the French guy behind:
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
... away from the polluted nightmare of modern living, a
family seek out a new way of life in Earth Summit tie-in A
LAND WORTH LOVING (7pm, Wed, BBC1)... which coincidentally
also forms the plot of this week's second Heather "Bowfinger"
Graham turkey, LOST IN SPACE (7.55pm, Wed, BBC1) - not to be
confused with the return of those annoying posh women in
WORLD'S WORST DRESSED (8pm, Wed, BBC2), who have at least shut
up about their always-doomed hideously purple e-commerce
site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/712188.stm ...
FILM>> the comic skills of Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate
and Parker Posey combine in a cross between a teen smut comedy
and an episode of "Sex And The City", THE SWEETEST THING
( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_sweetest_thing.html :
As [Diaz] and [Applegate] drive down the road still dressed in
just their bras and underwear, [Applegate] drops her bottle of
fingernail polish. [Diaz] then goes over to get it, with
her panty-covered butt in the air and her head down toward
[Applegate]'s legs and crotch; [Selma Blair] [has] her mouth
stuck around a man's privates after apparently performing oral
sex on him)... Robin Williams plays a surprisingly convincing
Hannibal Lecter in morally complicated Alaskan Al Pacino
murder madness INSOMNIA ( http://www.cndb.com/ : You can see
[Crystal Lowe's] tits in autopsy photos and again - along with
bush - when she's seen on a autopsy table. Nice boobs but
she's dead)... it's Eddie Murphy, Randy Quaid, Jay "Jerry
Maguire" Mohr, John Cleese and Pam Grier - together at last! -
in blaxploitation sci-fi spoof THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH
( http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/the_adventures_of_pluto_nash.html :
the woman then causes the image of [Rosario "Kids" Dawson] to
suddenly have much larger breasts and an exaggeratedly large
rear end)... all of which, shockingly, are an improvement on
John Woo interspersing lame battle scenes with agonising anti-
racist philosophising in WW2 Navajo crypto clunker WINDTALKERS
( http://www.capalert.com/capreports/windtalkers.htm :
gambling; beheading; brief partial nudity of a Japanese
soldier; I have no doubt that such gore is present in war but
must it be regurgitated in and as entertainment?)...
>> SMALL PRINT <<
Need to Know is a useful and interesting UK digest of things that
happened last week or might happen next week. You can read it
on Friday afternoon or print it out then take it home if you have
nothing better to do. It is compiled by NTK from stuff they get sent.
Registered at the Post Office as
"yeah, but bet we were banned first"
http://www.b3ta.com/newsletter/issue54/
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Gaim is an instant messaging client based on the published TOC
protocol from AOL. The developers of Gaim, an instant messenger client
that combines several different networks, found a vulnerability in the
hyperlink handling code. The 'Manual' browser command passes an
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// Author: Jim Idle - jimi@idle.ws / jimi@gatherstars.com
// SPDX-License-Identifier: Apache-2.0
package jwz
import "time"
// ThreadableRoot is an interface that supports traversing a set of Threadables in some arbitrary
// way - for instance if they are in some kind of tree structure, the traversal can be
// hidden behind the interface
//
// JI - Although it might be useful to support incoming tree structures, all the
// Next and Get are doing is keeping a pointer if the input is a []Threadable. So we also
// have a function that just accepts that as input as well as one that accepts a ThreadableRoot
type ThreadableRoot interface {
// Next causes an internal iterator over your internal representation of Threadable
// elements to either be created and pointing to the next element, or to simply
// advance to the next element if there is one. It returns true if another element
// is available and false if there are no more beans.
//
Next() bool
// Get returns the next available Threadable from your internal storage.
// Note that this func should not be called without a prior call to Next and your
// implementation can assume that.
//
Get() Threadable
}
// Threadable is an interface which can be implemented by any go type, which will then
// allow it to be threaded.
type Threadable interface {
// MessageThreadID returns a string identifying this message.
// Generally this will be a representation of the contents of the
// Message-ID header.
//
MessageThreadID() string
// MessageThreadReferences returns the IDs of the set of messages referenced by this one.
// This list should be ordered from oldest-ancestor to youngest-ancestor. However, the returned
// tree can be sorted however you like.
//
MessageThreadReferences() []string
// Subject returns the subject line of the threadable with no manipulation of Re: Re: etc.
//
Subject() string
// SimplifiedSubject - provides a threadable subject string.
//
// When no references are present, subjects will be used to thread together
// messages. This method should return a threadable subject: two messages
// with the same simplifiedSubject will be considered to belong to the same
// thread. This string should not have `Re:' on the front, and may have
// been simplified in whatever other ways seem appropriate.
//
// This is a String of Unicode characters, and should have had any encodings -
// such as RFC 2047 charset encodings - removed first.
//
// If you aren't interested in threading by subject at all, return "".
//
SimplifiedSubject() string
// SubjectIsReply indicates whether the original subject was one that appeared to be a reply
// I.E. it had a `Re:' or some other indicator that lets you determine that. When threading by subject,
// this property is used to tell whether two messages appear to be siblings,
// or in a parent/child relationship.
//
SubjectIsReply() bool
// SetNext is called after the proper thread order has been computed,
// and will be called on each Threadable in the chain, to set up the proper tree
// structure.
//
SetNext(next Threadable)
// SetChild is called after the proper thread order has been computed,
// and will be called on each Threadable in the chain, to set up the proper tree
// structure.
//
SetChild(kid Threadable)
// SetParent is not called by the jwz algorithm and if you do not need the pointer in your
// implementation, then you can implement it as a null function. It can be useful when using
// the Walk utility method though
//
SetParent(parent Threadable)
// GetNext just makes it easier to navigate through the threads after they are built,
// but you don't have to use this if you have a better way
//
GetNext() Threadable
// GetChild just makes it easier to navigate through the threads after they are built,
// but you don't have to use this if you have a better way
//
GetChild() Threadable
// GetParent just makes it easier to navigate through the threads after they are built,
// but you don't have to use this if you have no need for it
//
GetParent() Threadable
// GetDate is not used by the threading algorithm, but implementing this function may make
// your own tree walking routines and sorting methods easier to implement.
// It should return the Date associated with the Threadable
//
GetDate() time.Time
// MakeDummy creates a dummy parent object.
//
// With some set of messages, the only way to achieve proper threading is
// to introduce an element into the tree which represents messages which are
// not present in the set: for example, when two messages share a common
// ancestor, but that ancestor is not in the set. This method is used to
// make a placeholder for those sorts of ancestors. It should return
// a Threadable type. The SetNext() and SetChild() funcs
// will be used on this placeholder, as either the object or the argument,
// just as for other elements of the tree.
//
MakeDummy(forID string) Threadable
// IsDummy should return true of dummy messages, false otherwise.
// It is legal to pass dummy messages within your input;
// the isDummy() method is the mechanism by which they are noted and ignored.
//
IsDummy() bool
}

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